Nemotoad | Elite Nemotoad

[SnoWeb]

Good idea. I also think evolve a nice ability. The / is also missing so it makes sense. I am not quite sure however about the future shock ability: a] it is a CC ability on a midrange attacker (not yet in the game - maybe for a reason), b] water has already a creature able to stall, c] the warder ability is similar but it also paralyse it for one turn. These are not strong arguments and a new CC for time would not be bad - so maybe ...

[moomoose]

true, but sting rays only come from nemotoads, so there is a much longer delay between when the nemotoad comes into play (and isnt burrowed), turns into a sting ray the next turn, then the turn after that it can use its stun.  i think that chain of waiting is a sufficient balancing mechanism relative to the guard ability.

[Pineapple]

Hmm...IDK if it's balanced even without Fractal.

Even if we assume that...

3+1(duo) = 5 for 8 damage per turn (Graboid)

...is balanced, does that mean that...

2+1(duo) = 4 for 7 damage per turn (Nemotoad)

...is balanced? Compare its cost/damage to Lycanthrope.

On the other hand, I'm sure these aspects can be balanced accordingly, so it's not a real flaw in card design. Plus, I obviously didn't take HP into account.

Meh.

[moomoose]

a more obvious damage/cost association would be with grabloid than lycanthrope

[Chapuz]

I like the string ray because of the permanent delay ability. It would be awsome -and more dangerous- if the target permanent is absolutely shut down for that turn. I mean: shield doesn't make effect, eclipse is reverted, feral bond doesn't heal, weapon doesn't attack, etc.

Just with that ability (and not targeting creatures) would be great and powerful.

[Pineapple]

a more obvious damage/cost association would be with grabloid than lycanthrope

I implied in the very post you replied to that the reason Nemotoad may be OP is because it's a better attacker than Graboid.

[moomoose]

my mistake, am at work and can only quickly glance through messages

[moomoose]

i remember now, the reduced cost was due to not coming out burrowed, leaving it vulnerable to cc, even lobo.  a fractal would be a trio, which is intrinsically restrictive and less of a concern than if it were to have an ability and it be a duo, for example.

[Pineapple]

i remember now, the reduced cost was due to not coming out burrowed, leaving it vulnerable to cc, even lobo.  a fractal would be a trio, which is intrinsically restrictive and less of a concern than if it were to have an ability and it be a duo, for example.

I see..I guess that makes sense.