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Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401391#msg401391
« on: September 30, 2011, 01:10:44 am »
NAME:
Tangle
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
:life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Delay all of your opponents' permanents for one turn.
NAME:
Snare
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
:life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Delay all of your opponents' permanents for one turn.
ART:
Another EDIT: Made by NikaZaslavsky: http://i.imgur.com/PG6xR.png Sorry for the lateness.
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Soft PC for life. Totally needed. Doesn't stack.
The balance, I'm not sure about. Ideas?

EDIT: Changed it to a spell. Any other balance issues?
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401397#msg401397
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 01:21:09 am »
Wow. Combine this with mitosis devourer, and you have some serious quanta denial.

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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401398#msg401398
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 01:21:42 am »
Wow. Combine this with mitosis devourer, and you have some serious quanta denial.
See? New deck type for the arena right there.
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401402#msg401402
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 01:26:48 am »
I would suggest making this a spell instead of a permanent. If it was a permanent and could be used every turn, it feels a bit OP if you can just shut down all of your opponent's pillars each turn.

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 01:44:30 am »
I would suggest making this a spell instead of a permanent. If it was a permanent and could be used every turn, it feels a bit OP if you can just shut down all of your opponent's pillars each turn.
Compare Pulverizer, which is duo and destroys permanents rather than having Upkeep  :life :life to negate a select permanent. I think this is fine as it is - unlike pulverizer, if you fail to pay the cost your opponent can reuse it. A plant that grows to entangle it's users also fits better thematically.

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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401416#msg401416
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 02:07:12 am »
I feel like I've seen this before
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401425#msg401425
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 02:51:44 am »
Thank you for finally giving me credit. It's a great card, but didn't you say it would absorb :life each turn?
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401603#msg401603
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 01:46:08 pm »
I'm kinda hoping you meant 'delay target permanent', not 'delay all opponent's permanents'.  If it was just one permanent, I think that would be fairly reasonable, although we'd have to work out what happens to stacks of permanents as well as shields that are delayed.  It would be ridiculous, for instance, to delay an entire stack of pillars so that they didn't produce quanta, but delaying one out of that stack would be fine.

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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401798#msg401798
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 09:26:13 pm »
Thank you for finally giving me credit. It's a great card, but didn't you say it would absorb :life each turn?
If it drained, then your opponent's permanents would always be delayed. Would that be as great? [Well, Dissipation Shield. Flooding. Etc. But still.]

I feel like I've seen this before
There was a similar card posted, but I made sure to change mine enough to make it original.

I would suggest making this a spell instead of a permanent. If it was a permanent and could be used every turn, it feels a bit OP if you can just shut down all of your opponent's pillars each turn.
Compare Pulverizer, which is duo and destroys permanents rather than having Upkeep  :life :life to negate a select permanent. I think this is fine as it is - unlike pulverizer, if you fail to pay the cost your opponent can reuse it. A plant that grows to entangle it's users also fits better thematically.
Well, that's a relief.

I'm kinda hoping you meant 'delay target permanent', not 'delay all opponent's permanents'.  If it was just one permanent, I think that would be fairly reasonable, although we'd have to work out what happens to stacks of permanents as well as shields that are delayed.  It would be ridiculous, for instance, to delay an entire stack of pillars so that they didn't produce quanta, but delaying one out of that stack would be fine.
For what cost? This is a simple delaying tactic, just like Procrastination. Only it costs two life a turn to delay it, and creatures still attack you.
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401800#msg401800
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 09:27:53 pm »
why would they?
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 09:40:04 pm »
why would they?
Would they what? Delay every turn? Well, if it's draining, you're spending quanta every turn. And IMHO, spending quanta every turn = extended ability every turn. And that's not what I was going for.
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Re: Tangle | Snare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31737.msg401816#msg401816
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 10:02:04 pm »
why would they?
Would they what? Delay every turn? Well, if it's draining, you're spending quanta every turn. And IMHO, spending quanta every turn = extended ability every turn. And that's not what I was going for.
I would think that it would just absorb :life every turn that it's on the field, regardless of whether the ability is used.
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