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Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525948#msg525948
« on: July 26, 2012, 07:07:02 pm »
NAME:
Subtle Suggestion
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand. (Spells target randomly.)
NAME:
Subconscious Drive
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand. (Spells target randomly.)

ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1069663 and http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1281079 , Modified by Zblader
Glow Brushes I by Hawksmont were used in the process.
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Darkness manipulation that can backfire if you're not careful.

Silence will prevent this card from working. A targeted spell will target randomly. AoE spells retain their 'hit all' characteristic, so don't target them. :X

You automatically see the hand before you choose a card, like Precognition. This 'scrying' effect lasts for the whole turn. Canceling gives you no refund in quanta but gives you the scrying effect.
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NAME:
Subtle Suggestion
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand and you gain :darkness = its cost +3.
NAME:
Subconscious Drive
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand and you gain :darkness = its cost. +3.

ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1069663 and http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1281079 , Modified by Zblader
Glow Brushes I by Hawksmont were used in the process.
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Misdirection and secrets rule the day today.
Like or not, you won't find out which ones are in control either.

Darkness quantum acceleration that can backfire if you're not careful.

One combo you can use with this card is to play Nightmare on any high-cost creature, and then cast this.

Silence will prevent this card from working.

Currently, a targeted spell will target randomly.

You automatically see the hand before you choose a card, like Precognition. This 'scrying' effect lasts for the whole turn. Canceling gives you no refund in quanta but gives you the scrying effect.
SERIES:


NAME:
Subtle Suggestion
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand and you gain :darkness = its cost.
NAME:
Subconscious Drive
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
You can see your opponent's hand this turn. Your opponent plays target card in his hand and you gain :darkness = its cost.

ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1069663 and http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1281079 , Modified by Zblader
Glow Brushes I by Hawksmont were used in the process.
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Misdirection and secrets rule the day today.
Like or not, you won't find out which ones are in control either.

Darkness quantum acceleration that can backfire if you're not careful.

One combo you can use with this card is to play Nightmare on any high-cost creature, and then cast this.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 06:27:42 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525956#msg525956
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 07:16:56 pm »
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525957#msg525957
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 07:20:43 pm »
They can play this without the quanta necessary? Oh gosh singularities.

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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525964#msg525964
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 07:37:28 pm »
Aaand Nurfbat that allows the card to pay for itself but prevents Nova abuse. All feedback appreciated.

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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525980#msg525980
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 08:17:19 pm »
Very interesting.  I assume you choose the target if it is a target spell?  That could make this a very nasty spell.
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525981#msg525981
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 08:22:14 pm »
Very interesting.  I assume you choose the target if it is a target spell?  That could make this a very nasty spell.
No, because I think that would be too powerful. Spells target randomly.

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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525983#msg525983
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 08:28:04 pm »
Causing the misfiring of cards like Lightning, Immolation, Fractal or Quint should be enough of a benefit. No need for the refund.

PS: How do you choose a card if you cannot see the hand
or can you see the hand before the cancel button disappears
or is there no cancel button when targeting a card
or does canceling not cancel the spell but merely cancel the suggestion?
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 08:31:00 pm by OldTrees »
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525985#msg525985
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 08:30:14 pm »
Causing the misfiring of cards like Lightning, Immolation, Fractal or Quint should be enough of a benefit. No need for the refund.
Would the removal of the refund affect the card's cost in any way, or is 4 :darkness | 3 :darkness balanced without it?

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PS: How do you choose a card if you cannot see the hand
or can you see the hand before the cancel button disappears
or is there no cancel button when targeting a card?
You automatically see the hand before you choose a card, like Precognition. This 'scrying' effect lasts for the whole turn. Canceling gives you no refund in quanta but gives you the scrying effect.
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525986#msg525986
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 08:31:22 pm »
Causing the misfiring of cards like Lightning, Immolation, Fractal or Quint should be enough of a benefit. No need for the refund.

PS: How do you choose a card if you cannot see the hand
or can you see the hand before the cancel button disappears
or is there no cancel button when targeting a card?

I would actually prefer the coordinated misfire over the refund.  There's enough quanta manipulation with Devourers.
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525987#msg525987
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 08:31:52 pm »
Causing the misfiring of cards like Lightning, Immolation, Fractal or Quint should be enough of a benefit. No need for the refund.

PS: How do you choose a card if you cannot see the hand
or can you see the hand before the cancel button disappears
or is there no cancel button when targeting a card
or does canceling not cancel the spell but merely cancel the suggestion?
I assume if you cancel you don't get to choose a card, gain no :darkness, but get the free peek.

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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg525989#msg525989
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 08:33:24 pm »
Causing the misfiring of cards like Lightning, Immolation, Fractal or Quint should be enough of a benefit. No need for the refund.

PS: How do you choose a card if you cannot see the hand
or can you see the hand before the cancel button disappears
or is there no cancel button when targeting a card?

I would actually prefer the coordinated misfire over the refund.  There's enough quanta manipulation with Devourers.
That would be seeing the hand + copy card + manual discard. That would be a bit too powerful.
Seeing the hand + premature casting would be a more reasonable amount of power to balance around.
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Re: Subtle Suggestion | Subconscious Drive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42274.msg526006#msg526006
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 09:14:13 pm »
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