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Re: Stolas | Stolas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41891.msg519785#msg519785
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 10:43:06 pm »
Never said unbeatable.  I just meant uses.  Either, way I personally see no faults with this card.  Well, maybe it has too much HP, but that's not too much of an issue.
6HP means that it'll take about 2 CC cards to kill it. With way more elements having CC than PC, it means that you have a way around this even if you're using a mono air or a mono gravity against it.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 10:52:42 pm »
but the version upgrad he is rainbow, and is very cheap for a rainbow card.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 10:54:59 pm »
but the version upgrad he is rainbow, and is very cheap for a rainbow card.
Sure you can use it in a rainbow, but it's mostly for use in other elements that want protection (life, light, aether, time). Unless you build a whole rainbow deck based on airborne creatures, why would anyone use this over EA?

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 10:59:14 pm »
Already using :earth for Wardens or Pulvy?  But yeah, this is more of off-element usage like with Animate Weapon.

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 11:07:11 pm »
I confess that the idea is cool, but it would be well balanced to protect only permanent air.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 11:08:47 pm »
Honestly, it's 'well-balanced' as is.  Unless you can find some place where it is OP and/or renders another card useless, it's fine and needs no change.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 11:11:43 pm »
I confess that the idea is cool, but it would be well balanced to protect only permanent air.
Air is supposed to be a fluid element (moreso than water in my opinion). Just look at animate weapon. Besides, air is not the only element with airborne cards and not the only element to need some anti PC.

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 11:16:03 pm »
the version upgrad,  I'm sure is out of balance,
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 11:17:43 pm »
the version upgrad,  I'm sure is out of balance,
Our resident aged perennial woody plant has reasoned it is not too unbalanced or anything. I'd like to hear your ideas why it is unbalanced, any deck examples involving this that are OP, and any feedback/suggestions you have to make it not out of balance then.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 11:43:49 pm »
the version upgrad,  I'm sure is out of balance,
Our resident aged perennial woody plant has reasoned it is not too unbalanced or anything. I'd like to hear your ideas why it is unbalanced, any deck examples involving this that are OP, and any feedback/suggestions you have to make it not out of balance then.

I generally use immolation to put dragons, now I can put + 2 of these creatures in one turn.
19 damage and more protection. (protection because they use the same long sword,will already protected), now 25 damages
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 11:46:45 pm »
the version upgrad,  I'm sure is out of balance,
Our resident aged perennial woody plant has reasoned it is not too unbalanced or anything. I'd like to hear your ideas why it is unbalanced, any deck examples involving this that are OP, and any feedback/suggestions you have to make it not out of balance then.

I generally use immolation to put dragons, now I can put 2 + of these creatures in one turn.
19 damage and more protection.
You did not give any specific decks so I have no idea how to really reply. One immolation cannot put out a fire dragon, even a cremation can't. You'd need fire pillars or towers as support, and even then, the very earliest you'd get out a dragon would be second or third turn. You can get out two Stolas? Great! You do 4 extra damage each turn at the expense of 8 :rainbow! You also get protection! Woo! Your fire pillars (or fog shield or arsenic/stilleto) are protected, how nice! (That is, if you can fit them into an immo deck that uses fire towers as support. If you go the pure immo/crema way with no towers, your dragons come out slower and your whole deck is less stable). Completely disregard the fact that you could have easily packed cheaper PAs or SoBe or SoFre for more damage potential. You have not proved Stolas is OP.
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 11:59:44 pm »
I did not say what needed to be in a round
op cards are only in one round?
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