Spirit Nymph | Spirit Nymph

[TheIdioticIdiot]

excuse my poor english
the major problem is not the HP cap.
Stoneskin can achieve 500hp but it need 75  frist and 6 card ,Shard of Divinity only add HP 120 at most for 6 card
this card can easily add HP to 200 by it self only need 5    per turn. isn't it much more efficient if not easy to kill?

这张卡的增加生命效率实在是太高了，只要一张卡就能很容易的在前几回合增加大量的生命，考虑到很多元素都有恢复生命的方法，如果她没法被杀死的话会使你很快获得太多的生命，即使只有200生命也是很大的优势吧？许多牌组面对她会感到无解的，只能等着自己出光手中的牌然后输掉。增加一或两点攻击力（我前面说的3点可能太高了），减少她的生命值让她可以被各种盾牌的效果影响应该会让她更平衡。

this is definitely a forum first... (amazingly, after like 10 years without dealing with chinese, I can understand this perfectly fine...)

I think the card initial cost should be 24 , and the skill cost 3 , the backfire changes to 30 damage

[OldTrees]

excuse my poor english
the major problem is not the HP cap.
Stoneskin can achieve 500hp but it need 75  frist and 6 card ,Shard of Divinity only add HP 120 at most for 6 card
this card can easily add HP to 200 by it self only need 5    per turn. isn't it much more efficient if not easy to kill?

这张卡的增加生命效率实在是太高了，只要一张卡就能很容易的在前几回合增加大量的生命，考虑到很多元素都有恢复生命的方法，如果她没法被杀死的话会使你很快获得太多的生命，即使只有200生命也是很大的优势吧？许多牌组面对她会感到无解的，只能等着自己出光手中的牌然后输掉。增加一或两点攻击力（我前面说的3点可能太高了），减少她的生命值让她可以被各种盾牌的效果影响应该会让她更平衡。

this is definitely a forum first... (amazingly, after like 10 years without dealing with chinese, I can understand this perfectly fine...)

I think the card initial cost should be 24 , and the skill cost 3 , the backfire changes to 30 damage

Why 24 ?
At high costs the x3 rule seems to deteriorate to smaller values.
[Note: being used to represent generic elemental quanta]
Towershield [Value=5 (casting cost)+3 (unique slot)+2 (upgrade)]
Titanium Shield [Value=5 (casting cost)+3 (unique slot)]
5 =3
So at value=8 (nymph value),  0.6 x  ->  / 1.67 x  -> 
8 = 8 x 5 / 3  = 13

[TheIdioticIdiot]

i like 24 because so one SN gives you exactly one nymph
for upped, 18

[OldTrees]

i like 24 because so one SN gives you exactly one nymph
for upped, 18

Although 1 supernova does return 24 quanta, if this nymph is buffed till it is worth 24 then it will OP Nymph's Tear.

Nymph's Tear will be balanced if this card costs 13 . If this Nymph costs less than 13 then NT will be nerfed slightly. If this Nymph costs more than 13 then NT will be too efficient of a way to cheat this Nymph out.

Perhaps an other dragon costing 24 quanta instead and leave this at a lower value so as not to unbalance NT?

@ZBlader
Now that I have done a more accurate measurement of the correct cost, I think that it should cost 13.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

^^
considering how UP nymph's tear is, that would be a buff
also, to get this nymph, you have only 1/13 (you can only get it randomly through QT)

[OldTrees]

^^
considering how UP nymph's tear is, that would be a buff
also, to get this nymph, you have only 1/13 (you can only get it randomly through QT)

Good point. (although I do not find NT UP when used on most Nymphs but I have not played a lot.)

So that is 2-2 for 13 vs 24 cost
13:
Calculated equivalent cost to most Nymphs
Does not change the balance of Nymph's Tear
24:
Supernova (Or 2 Novas unupped)
Would buff NT which might deserve it

So based upon
1 =3
and
8 =13
then
24 =X
X=?

[TheIdioticIdiot]

about 15 or so

[ZephyrPhantom]

So based upon
1 =3
and
8 =13
then
24 =X
X=?

The Other modifier is from x1.625 - 3x based on your calculations.

Therefore the cost range of 8-9 can be from 13 - 27 .

I like the 13 cost suggestion seeing as that the other Other cards (no pun intended) are slightly underpriced.

[OldTrees]

So based upon
1 =3
and
8 =13
then
24 =X
X=?

about 15 or so

If it scales linearly true. However two points is too little data to determine the type of curve. We need a 3rd point. Preferably on that is between 3 and 13

[ZephyrPhantom]

Bump.

Serious-wise, I'd like some more opinions on the cost.  Updated the table to make cost 13.

[kitty45]

Um maybe 11 or 10 13 seems high

[OldTrees]

Um maybe 11 or 10 13 seems high

13 was calculated to be the equivalent of 8 or another elemental quanta.
If you feel the ability or stats are not enough to justify the cost please suggest how to increase the ability or stats to match the cost.