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Spirit Fox | Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019326#msg1019326
« on: December 03, 2012, 10:20:55 pm »
NAME:
Spirit Fox
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|1
TEXT:
Evade: Dodges 1 hostile spell or effect each turn.
:air :air Guile: Redirects next dodged effect to a new target.
NAME:
Shadow Fox
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|1
TEXT:
Evade: Dodges 1 hostile spell or effect each turn.
:air Guile: Redirects next dodged effect to a new target.

ART:
Original Artwork: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1187339

Modified by OdinVanguard using GIMP to fit card and element theme
IDEA:
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-Credit to Zblader's "Despairing Geist" card for inspiring the evade idea as I pondered different ideas for skills / traits that could illustrate a creature that is difficult to target / kill.
NOTES:
Should be fairly intuitive to understand the effects, but just in case:

Evade(N) - Every turn, the first N enemy spells or effects that target the creature are negated. This includes everything from lightning bolts to lobotomize. Here, hostile refers specifically to spells and effects originating from the enemy player or cards they control… I.e. if you shoot your own fox with a fire bolt it will not dodge it… (normally I would think this not worth mentioning, but the active ability may make that come up)
-The (N) is a holdover from earlier version. In this case it is just 1, so I left it out for aesthetic's sake.

Guile - The first spell or effect that gets dodged is redirected to a chosen target (i.e. the player is prompted to choose a target when using this ability). If the chosen target turns out to be invalid, then the spell or effect is simply negated instead. (E.g. you could use this to redirect CC back at enemy creatures… or maybe even at an allied voodoo doll :D )

Thematically, these abilities represent the fox's innate cunning and cleverness which allow it to avoid dangers, overcome obstacles and even turn its pursuers attacks upon one another.

Mechanically, evade provides a softer version of anti-CC than immaterial/untargetable. It also allows its owner to target their own creature unhampered (whereas immaterial does not).

Since it may come up, I think evade and guile should even be able to dodge / redirect shield effects that would damage, kill, inflict status effects, etc. upon the Fox. If people think this is too OP though, it can be left out. It would not, however, allow the fox's attack damage to bypass reduction or absorption effects.

Finally, I've been debating what element this card should belong to for a while. I decided to go with darkness, since its an easy fit, but I'm open to other suggestions. I would like to maintain the connection to the :air element but the card itself could fit in a number of different elements (life, light, aether, entropy, even possibly earth)

I put in Evade trait / passive ability with the hopes that others may pick it up so it may get worked into other spells creatures. I'm not sure as to whether it should be removable via lobotomize or not though.

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« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 03:45:21 am by Annele »
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Re: Spirit Fox|Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019339#msg1019339
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 11:15:28 pm »
I really like this card very much. The evade ability does need to belong to cards in the game other than just by SoFreedom. The evade ability may be a bit overpowerful, though, especially on the upgraded fox. I mean, it would take three different harmful spells just to inflict any sort of damage to this fox. I am on the fence about the evading shield negative effects such as freezing or delay upon the fox. I strongly suggest the upgraded fox only have one evasion (just like the unupped fox) but have the cost of Guile lowered to just one :air. Evading two separate attacks is way too OP to begin with, let alone if shield effects can also be avoided.

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Re: Spirit Fox|Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019443#msg1019443
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 07:15:19 am »
I really like this card very much. The evade ability does need to belong to cards in the game other than just by SoFreedom. The evade ability may be a bit overpowerful, though, especially on the upgraded fox. I mean, it would take three different harmful spells just to inflict any sort of damage to this fox. I am on the fence about the evading shield negative effects such as freezing or delay upon the fox. I strongly suggest the upgraded fox only have one evasion (just like the unupped fox) but have the cost of Guile lowered to just one :air. Evading two separate attacks is way too OP to begin with, let alone if shield effects can also be avoided.

The evade ability granted by SoFr does not count for any effect. To get 100%, by the way, you need 4 SoFrs and the creatures have to be :air.

This fox is an imba killing machine. Momentum it, maybe one Chaos Power/Plate Armor, and the upped version dodges two any attacks as well as any negative shield effect. PU two or three times, should be possible after a few turns, tadaaa. Not to forget Eclipse ;) Mitosis, even worse. I would like to play with that Fox now =) Imba as hell...

As Joseph7 already said, two turns is too much. In my opinion it's OP OP. One turn is still very strong. With the redirection ability, you can set it to any inconvenient creature, so that their abilities can not even be used anymore to just consume the *dodge charges*.

For example: Opponent has got an Arctic Squid and and Oty. Use Guile and situation 1) The Oty eats the Squid. 2) Oty eats himself (doesn't work afaik, so just negated effect). Squid freezes fox. 3) Squid freezes himself, Oty eats the Fox. 4) Squid freezes Oty, interaction over.

Two very strong CCs are weakened a lot. That's just for one unupped Fox. And the opponent has to be 'smart' to use the abilities properly, like in 2) to not suffer from negative effects. With an Ulitharid and Squid, e.g., it would be worse...
« Last Edit: December 04, 2012, 07:17:22 am by AvusXIV »
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Re: Spirit Fox|Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019453#msg1019453
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 08:19:20 am »
I do not see the purpose of having the (N) after Evade since you mention how many times it takes effect right after it.

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Re: Spirit Fox|Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019521#msg1019521
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 03:51:56 pm »
I added the (N) in because I was thinking of using it elsewhere without needing to be so explicit... I may just leave it out though, since people seem to dislike having it go past one per round.


The evade ability granted by SoFr does not count for any effect. To get 100%, by the way, you need 4 SoFrs and the creatures have to be :air.

This fox is an imba killing machine. Momentum it, maybe one Chaos Power/Plate Armor, and the upped version dodges two any attacks as well as any negative shield effect. PU two or three times, should be possible after a few turns, tadaaa. Not to forget Eclipse ;) Mitosis, even worse. I would like to play with that Fox now =) Imba as hell...

As Joseph7 already said, two turns is too much. In my opinion it's OP OP. One turn is still very strong. With the redirection ability, you can set it to any inconvenient creature, so that their abilities can not even be used anymore to just consume the *dodge charges*.

For example: Opponent has got an Arctic Squid and and Oty. Use Guile and situation 1) The Oty eats the Squid. 2) Oty eats himself (doesn't work afaik, so just negated effect). Squid freezes fox. 3) Squid freezes himself, Oty eats the Fox. 4) Squid freezes Oty, interaction over.

Two very strong CCs are weakened a lot. That's just for one unupped Fox. And the opponent has to be 'smart' to use the abilities properly, like in 2) to not suffer from negative effects. With an Ulitharid and Squid, e.g., it would be worse...
-I will probably drop the evade to 1 on the upped version and either reduce cast cost, skill cost, or add +1 attack.

- The 100% dodge with SoFr is not limited to once or twice per turn as this card is. I.e. this card only gets to dodge a single harmful effect whereas there is no limit on the number off spells shard of freedom allows a creature to dodge.

-True, with guile, this is a very potent anti-CC when it is creatures using the CC. But even so, it only stops at most 2 CC per round and requires a constant input of air quanta (essentially forcing either an air mark or duo). Note also that "hostile" refers to the origin of the spell. E.g. a purify would get dodged and redirected the same as an aflatoxin. So if the opponent is clever, and watches the game closely, they can out-fox the fox... e.g. cast a beneficial spell first so then use CC.

-I'm not dead set on making evade bypass shields. However, note that if it uses evade to avoid a shield's effect, it is left vulnerable during the opponent's turn.
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Re: Spirit Fox|Shadow Fox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44955.msg1019838#msg1019838
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 06:44:46 pm »
Reposted.
Removed the (N) from Evade ability. It now dodges only 1 effect for both upped and unupped version. Cost of guile reduced to 1 :air on upped version instead.
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