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Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216871#msg216871
« on: December 05, 2010, 02:15:35 am »
NAME:
Slow
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
3 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
The opponent's creatures will
not attack on the turn they are
played.
NAME:
Delay
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
2 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
The opponent's creatures will
not attack on the turn they are
played.

ART:
Emerald Tiger
IDEA:
Emerald Tiger, Old Trees and ArtCrusade
NOTES:
A stall card that has an exaggerated effect against some uses of Fractal
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216878#msg216878
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 02:26:22 am »
I know what it will look like. i am surprised no one has thought of this.
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216912#msg216912
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 03:26:23 am »
To make it more even I think it should affect your creatures, as well.

Also, played: "twin universe, deja vu" - do those count?

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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216919#msg216919
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 03:31:28 am »
OP for its cost. either make it affect both creatures(like sundial) or raise the cost
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216923#msg216923
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 03:36:11 am »
As of now it does not affect
Twin Universe (Spell)
Deja Vu (Skill)
Queen (Skill)
Scarab (Skill)
Evolve (Skill)
Hatch (Skill)
Mutate (Skill)

Do you think it should block some/all of these back doors or should these be means of bypassing it?

The reason it is one sided is because Time should be able to manipulate speed to make it faster. It currently does this by slowing down the opponent's creatures. I think it will be fine as a one sided effect. After all the effect doesn't stack (sundial does) so it would create dead draws or need luck.

My reasoning for it costing 3|2 one sided.
Sundial costs 1|0 :time to block 1 turns worth of enemy and allied creature attacks.
This costs 3|2 :time to block 1 turns worth of enemy creature attacks.
The one sided effect is three times the cost of the two sided effect.
Do you still think it is OP?

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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216926#msg216926
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 03:40:20 am »
As of now it does not affect
Twin Universe (Spell)
Deja Vu (Skill)
Queen (Skill)
Scarab (Skill)
Evolve (Skill)
Hatch (Skill)
Mutate (Skill)

Do you think it should block some/all of these back doors or should these be means of bypassing it?

The reason it is one sided is because Time should be able to manipulate speed to make it faster. It currently does this by slowing down the opponent's creatures. I think it will be fine as a one sided effect. After all the effect doesn't stack (sundial does) so it would create dead draws or need luck.

My reasoning for it costing 3|2 one sided.
Sundial costs 1|0 :time to block 1 turns worth of enemy and allied creature attacks.
This costs 3|2 :time to block 1 turns worth of enemy creature attacks.
The one sided effect is three times the cost of the two sided effect.
Do you still think it is OP?
sundial stacks? define stacking.
and this card also lasts forever, which should increase the cost.
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216931#msg216931
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 03:44:44 am »
Each sundial blocks 1 turn of creatures
This blocks each creature once. Its permanent duration is what allows it to block 1 turn of creatures.
If you think it needs a cost increase, how much?
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216933#msg216933
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2010, 03:46:16 am »
ive been playing t50 lately and in timebows im pretty sure it does not stack. the ai plays 2 sundials, then both disappear at the same time. i could be wrong though. im gonna go find out though.
maybe increase the cost to 4 unupped and 3 upped
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216937#msg216937
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 03:50:44 am »
You can stagger sundials you cannot stagger Slow|Delay.
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216943#msg216943
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 03:55:23 am »
You can stagger sundials you cannot stagger Slow|Delay.
staggering and stacking are two totally different things
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216946#msg216946
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2010, 03:58:42 am »
You can stagger sundials you cannot stagger Slow|Delay.
staggering and stacking are two totally different things
6 staggered Sundials block 6 turns (each additional card creating an additional effect is what I mean by stacking)
6 Slows are a waste of quanta and only block 1 turn
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Re: Slow | Delay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16997.msg216947#msg216947
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2010, 04:00:50 am »
You can stagger sundials you cannot stagger Slow|Delay.
staggering and stacking are two totally different things
6 staggered Sundials block 6 turns (each additional card creating an additional effect is what I mean by stacking)
6 Slows are a waste of quanta and only block 1 turn
by stacking a assumed you meant all at once and then they stacked
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