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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg224523#msg224523
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 01:11:58 pm »
i think its pretty good not OP u need quite a lot of luck and stallign to get that 96 dmg

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg224541#msg224541
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 01:55:06 pm »
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i think its pretty good not OP u need quite a lot of luck and stallign to get that 96 dmg
You don't need to deal 96 damage to deal a total of 100 damage to your opponent ^^;;
If this is not OP, then unstable gasses must be really UP. So version 3 bases the costs off of unstable gas.

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg224582#msg224582
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2010, 03:34:44 pm »
So I would sacrifice my shield for a maximum of 16 damage? I'm not sure that's favorable. Perhaps don't make it twice the damage, just make it a regular amount of damage, and your shield isn't destroyed.
Seconded. Also, costs too much.
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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg224597#msg224597
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2010, 03:57:03 pm »
So I would sacrifice my shield for a maximum of 16 damage? I'm not sure that's favorable. Perhaps don't make it twice the damage, just make it a regular amount of damage, and your shield isn't destroyed.
Seconded. Also, costs too much.
From the card table:

"I don't think everyone understands this card. With a single shield, you can use as many shield bashes as you can on that one shield until it is destroyed (the end of the turn after the first shield bash was played). So you can theoretically use 6 shield bashes with 1 shield."

Learn to read.

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg224784#msg224784
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 10:03:26 pm »
I read and I still think it costs far too much.

- Unstable Gas deals considerably more damage (since although Hope costs 8 upgraded, most shields cost less)
- Unstable Gas does not require a shield
- Unstable Gas does not require stall to work (this does if you want to play all 6 cards together)
- Unstable Gas does not destroy your main defense
- Unstable Gas deals considerable CC
- Unstable Gas does hit your creatures


So to use them all at once you need to play like a firestall - except you don't need to keep all the quanta - or an Unstable Gas deck. This isn't actually what I would call OP: in fact, I still believe this card is UP.
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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225091#msg225091
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2010, 04:37:28 am »
I read and I still think it costs far too much.

- Unstable Gas deals considerably more damage (since although Hope costs 8 upgraded, most shields cost less)
- Unstable Gas does not require a shield
- Unstable Gas does not require stall to work (this does if you want to play all 6 cards together)
- Unstable Gas does not destroy your main defense
- Unstable Gas deals considerable CC
- Unstable Gas does hit your creatures


So to use them all at once you need to play like a firestall - except you don't need to keep all the quanta - or an Unstable Gas deck. This isn't actually what I would call OP: in fact, I still believe this card is UP.
- Unstable Gas must be played for 1 turn before being used.
- Unstable Gas can be destroyed after being played.
- Unstable Gas stalls as much as Shield Bash, unless it's an Unstable Gas rush.
- Shield Bash decks can rush just as well-- if not better-- than Unstable Gas decks.

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225156#msg225156
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2010, 06:06:54 am »
Lol.  I picture Hope with 23 RoL and using this 6 times ^^.

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225158#msg225158
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2010, 06:07:50 am »
Lol.  I picture Hope with 23 RoL and using this 6 times ^^.

Wait. HOLY!  23X6=138DAMAGE!!!

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225159#msg225159
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2010, 06:12:40 am »
This card + bone wall = ?

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225179#msg225179
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2010, 06:51:06 am »
Lol.  I picture Hope with 23 RoL and using this 6 times ^^.

Wait. HOLY!  23X6=138DAMAGE!!!
First, the damage is based on the cost, not the protection.  And second it is double the cost, so 6 of these with (upgraded) Hope is 96 damage.

This card + bone wall = ?
Also, this + Dimensional Shield.  6 Bashes in the deck plus ability to produce 4 :gravity every three turns is icing for a shield that has to be refreshed anyway.  (72 damage)

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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225666#msg225666
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2010, 01:36:44 am »
Also, this + Dimensional Shield.  6 Bashes in the deck plus ability to produce 4 :gravity every three turns is icing for a shield that has to be refreshed anyway.  (72 damage)
Yes. I was thinking about that. It would be a perfect card to make dim shield stalls even more annoying.

Nice idea, though.
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Re: Shield Bash | Shield Bash https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17486.msg225714#msg225714
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2010, 03:22:27 am »
Well, as they say, better UP and OP...
So it's ready for the crucible?

 

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