Shadow Cloak | Shadow Fall

[DSSCRA]

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imho and by what almost every card is like

You can't lower cost and make the ability better for the upgraded version you do one or the other not both.



Potential fixes:

Raise upped cost by 1

Lower unupped cost by one

Give unupped the same ability as upped

Give upped same ability as unupped

The card has been confirmed balanced by cost with OldTrees opinion. So i think we do not have to worry about balance issues.

The upgraded one has a better effect than the unupped.


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I was not saying the card was unbalanced I was saying that the upgraded card gets a better effect and a cost drop which makes little sense.

I think that the unupped deserves a cost drop by 1.

[OldTrees]

I was not saying the card was unbalanced I was saying that the upgraded card gets a better effect and a cost drop which makes little sense.

Why does the increase in effect and cost drop of 1 not make sense to you?

[DSSCRA]

I was not saying the card was unbalanced I was saying that the upgraded card gets a better effect and a cost drop which makes little sense.

Why does the increase in effect and cost drop of 1 not make sense to you? Is it just that you do not like two types of improvements at the same time even if they net a benefit with the standard range? Is increases in both attack and hp also a problem for you? How about increases in skill value and hp? Or increase in attack and decrease in cost?

Its not that I don't like it. It's just that from what I've seen an when a card gets upgraded one of 4 things happen:

1. The card gets reduction in cost the by 1-2 (usually 1) quanta and no other buff (quint)
2. The card gets a small buff stays the same (discord)
3. The card gets a "nerf" the cost drops dramatically (minor phoenix)
4. The card gets a major buff the the cost rises (mutation)


This card seems like it should fall under #2 or number #1 but instead it gets #2 and and #1 so I don't think it's too unreasonable for me to be confused as to why.



That being said maybe I'm misinterpreting your post. But there is no reason to insult my analysis as being purely opinion.

[OldTrees]

I was not saying the card was unbalanced I was saying that the upgraded card gets a better effect and a cost drop which makes little sense.

Why does the increase in effect and cost drop of 1 not make sense to you?

Its not that I don't like it. It's just that from what I've seen an when a card gets upgraded one of 4 things happen:

1. The card gets reduction in cost the by 1-2 (usually 1) quanta and no other buff (quint)
2. The card gets a small buff stays the same (discord)
3. The card gets a "nerf" the cost drops dramatically (minor phoenix)
4. The card gets a major buff the the cost rises (mutation)

This card seems like it should fall under #2 or number #1 but instead it gets #2 and and #1 so I don't think it's too unreasonable for me to be confused as to why.

That being said maybe I'm misinterpreting your post. But there is no reason to insult my analysis as being purely opinion.

First, I apologize. No insult was intended. (I have edited my post to remove what seemed insulting) I did not understand your second comment as referring to analysis. I assumed that you would have read my work and seen that the upgrade of creatures is far more complex than the 4 types you listed. Thus I assumed (incorrectly) that you were stating aesthetic preferences. I would urge you to read my dissection of creature costs in my sig.

For example Graviton Fireeater|Graviton Firemaster
2->1 casting cost 5->6hp
Cost decrease and a buff

[Stickmasterluke]

Sorry, but I think that one type cloak is enough.

[DSSCRA]

I was not saying the card was unbalanced I was saying that the upgraded card gets a better effect and a cost drop which makes little sense.

Why does the increase in effect and cost drop of 1 not make sense to you?

Its not that I don't like it. It's just that from what I've seen an when a card gets upgraded one of 4 things happen:

1. The card gets reduction in cost the by 1-2 (usually 1) quanta and no other buff (quint)
2. The card gets a small buff stays the same (discord)
3. The card gets a "nerf" the cost drops dramatically (minor phoenix)
4. The card gets a major buff the the cost rises (mutation)

This card seems like it should fall under #2 or number #1 but instead it gets #2 and and #1 so I don't think it's too unreasonable for me to be confused as to why.

That being said maybe I'm misinterpreting your post. But there is no reason to insult my analysis as being purely opinion.

First, I apologize. No insult was intended. (I have edited my post to remove what seemed insulting) I did not understand your second comment as referring to analysis. I assumed that you would have read my work and seen that the upgrade of creatures is far more complex than the 4 types you listed. Thus I assumed (incorrectly) that you were stating aesthetic preferences. I would urge you to read my dissection of creature costs in my sig.

For example Graviton Fireeater|Graviton Firemaster
2->1 casting cost 5->6hp
Cost decrease and a buff

(Note: not that this invalidates what you just said but this is a spell card.)

Looking at the work in your i can see how 2>1 could make sense but it really depend on how much importance is put on the ability increase and whether or not you give it -1 or -2 in the upgrade in my opinion -1 (there by making this card 2>2) seems appropriate but looking at more card upgrades I suppose -2 could be justified.

Also to clarify I was valuing the ability buff at +1 and the upgrade as -1 so i came to the conclusion that is should be 2>2.




Edit: If the cloak buff goes through this could even be a 1>1

[OldTrees]

First, I apologize. No insult was intended. (I have edited my post to remove what seemed insulting) I did not understand your second comment as referring to analysis. I assumed that you would have read my work and seen that the upgrade of creatures is far more complex than the 4 types you listed. Thus I assumed (incorrectly) that you were stating aesthetic preferences. I would urge you to read my dissection of creature costs in my sig.

For example Graviton Fireeater|Graviton Firemaster
2->1 casting cost 5->6hp
Cost decrease and a buff

(Note: not that this invalidates what you just said but this is a spell card.)

Looking at the work in your i can see how 2>1 could make sense but it really depend on how much importance is put on the ability increase and whether or not you give it -1 or -2 in the upgrade in my opinion -1 (there by making this card 2>2) seems appropriate but looking at more card upgrades I suppose -2 could be justified.

Also to clarify I was valuing the ability buff at +1 and the upgrade as -1 so i came to the conclusion that is should be 2>2.

Edit: If the cloak buff goes through this could even be a 1>1

I try to suggest the net increase in value at upgrades to get close to 1.5
Since I thought the 3->4 turns was not worth a full 1 quanta then another 1 quanta value (net 1.9 or so) would be closer to the golden 1.5

I will remember your name as another card design theorist.