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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1021429#msg1021429
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 05:17:44 pm »
Adding the cloak combo is interesting, and is balanced enough because of the duration. However, even so, I think it should be raised to 4N% or 5N%. Or instead of cloak making it 100%, have it add 30% or some other larger number.
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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1021432#msg1021432
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2012, 05:22:33 pm »
Loss of 1 hp is probably too weak of an effect, as others have noted. If this were instead a drain effect (e.g. lost hp goes to this cards owner) it might be a little better... but that doesn't fit "despair" I think.

I typically associate apathy with despair more than a direct loss of life... This is a good thematic connection with the -1|-0 or -1|-1 ideas since apathy could be manifest as loss of will / ability to fight.

I do like the connection to :darkness generating creatures, since despair is the opposite of hope (which is linked to :light generating creatures)
Along that vein, I also think the attack reduction works well thematically, since it accomplishes the shield effect by reducing enemy attack instead of bolstering the owner's resistance. It makes for a nice twinning, mechanically.
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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1021435#msg1021435
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2012, 05:26:20 pm »
It is a Drain effect...

"[...]chance to have 1 hp drained."

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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1021450#msg1021450
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2012, 06:00:41 pm »
I think this is the optimal positioning to make any other creature without a skill generate :darkness.

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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1032413#msg1032413
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2013, 07:49:28 pm »
Wouldn't it be nice for this to not be a shield?
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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1032580#msg1032580
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 09:36:08 am »
By making it a shield, it prevents abuse with draining creatures several times over without having to express it doesn't stack.

In other words, by making it a shield, he effectively gives it a reason to be used in scarce numbers without affecting it's balance in large numbers, as it puts it on par with other shields in terms of copies in a deck.

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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1032775#msg1032775
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2013, 10:53:34 pm »
-snip-

Hence, the reason he says
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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1036040#msg1036040
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 05:14:06 pm »
Updated. How is it now?
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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1036049#msg1036049
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 05:54:47 pm »
Heh, I really like that art in contrast with Hope...

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Re: Despair | Despair https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45041.msg1036355#msg1036355
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2013, 05:02:47 pm »
If there are no further issues here, I will submit it tomorrow.
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