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Post by: serprex on October 27, 2013, 06:52:43 pm
Make mutation RT and vice versa. Pair quint and freeze? Since quint removes frozen
Bit weird with Chaos Seed. Considering a fire/light stall where RoF is Pandemonium and rage pots are Seeds. Could probably run off mark. Unsure if OP
Also annoying that you say PC isn't affected and then list affecting BE
Post by: Submachine on October 27, 2013, 07:07:47 pm
Don't think this needs to have a timer. That'd be necessary if you made this disable PC
Make mutation RT and vice versa
Bit weird with Chaos Seed. Considering a fire/light stall where RoF is Pandemonium and rage pots are Seeds. Could probably run off mark. Unsure if OP
Also annoying that you say PC isn't affected and then list affecting BE
If I drop the disable PC function, the only weakness would be Pulverizer, so I drop the timer instead.
RT and mutation are tricky, but i'm sure that they are not the opposite of each other. RT should: target creature becomes the last creature of owner's deck.
About Chaos Seed it may sound weird indeed. But my point there was that its effect is random, so its reversed effect should be always the same. It could have been anything, but I thought firebolt is the most common, that's why I chose it. Chaos Power, however, would grant negative attack and HP bonuses. RoF wouldn't be Pandemonium and Rage Potions wouldn't be Chaos Seeds.
Butterfly Effect does not affect permanents. It only affects creatures and that results in a new possibility of destroying permanents.
I'm a bit concerned about that this card can be double-edged, because it makes some spells OP instead of UP, so adding a "click-to-disable" function, similar to what SoPa has, looks a good solution for me. It should also make a stall-preparation for the unupped version.
Post by: serprex on October 27, 2013, 07:44:16 pm
I wasn't claiming RoF and Rage Pot should become chaos seed/pandemonium. The chaos seed/pandemonium fire/light stall was an idea for how to use this card. Apologies for jumping from effect reversal ideas to a potential deck idea. To clarify the idea further: This card turns pandemonium into a mass fire bolt. Load up on fire quanta and you'll clear the field with every cast of pandemonium. You won't have to spend :fire for CC, yet your CC will consistenly scale off of :fire. All with cards which cost much less than the fire cards they'd replace in a conventional fire/light stall. Something I didn't consider: this reversing Miracle. Another point towards the proposed deck not being OP
Note that this deck likely has too much CC
Post by: Submachine on October 27, 2013, 09:16:01 pm
Double edged is good
I wasn't claiming RoF and Rage Pot should become chaos seed/pandemonium. The chaos seed/pandemonium fire/light stall was an idea for how to use this card. Apologies for jumping from effect reversal ideas to a potential deck idea. To clarify the idea further: This card turns pandemonium into a mass fire bolt. Load up on fire quanta and you'll clear the field with every cast of pandemonium. You won't have to spend :fire for CC, yet your CC will consistenly scale off of :fire. All with cards which cost much less than the fire cards they'd replace in a conventional fire/light stall. Something I didn't consider: this reversing Miracle. Another point towards the proposed deck not being OP
Note that this deck likely has too much CC
You make a good point here about having access to way too cheap mass CC, but note that while unupgraded Reversing Mirror is in play: RoF, firebolt and miracle are useless. But taking your advice into consideration, what do you think about changing to this?:
Chaos Seed: a determined effect is inflicted to the target and this effect is always inflicting 1 poison.
Post by: MegroN on October 27, 2013, 09:30:22 pm
Post by: Submachine on October 27, 2013, 09:33:12 pm
Dude I think -ve quanta allows summoning creatures for free. Dat nova could backfireHm, I changed the wording, so the quanta cannot go under 0.
Nova: drains 1 quanta from each element. (or should it be deplet instead of drain?)
Post by: timetock on October 27, 2013, 11:12:40 pm
Post by: serprex on October 27, 2013, 11:14:33 pm
Having Nova act like Blackhole makes it so that Nova isn't essentially a dead card when this is active
Post by: Submachine on October 28, 2013, 10:30:14 am
oh oh do black hole pleaseAdded :death and :gravity too on the list. ;)
Having Blackhole and Nova exchange themselves would give this good synergy with SanctuaryNone of them synergize with Sanctuary as it does nothing with self-cast spells. :-X
Having Nova act like Blackhole makes it so that Nova isn't essentially a dead card when this is active
Also, Nova and Blackhole are not the reverse of each other. :/ So they can't really be just swapped.
Post by: timetock on October 28, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
(mwhaha ghostmare's going down)
This seems like a strong denial deck. And the best part is unupped affects both players so even if it gets stolen it still functions ;)
Post by: Captain Scibra on October 29, 2013, 10:57:26 pm
Post by: ChemMan13 on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 pm
Post by: Submachine on December 03, 2013, 11:59:59 am
If you request a specific spell/spells to be done, I'll do my best to think of the reverse effect of it if it's not on the list yet. :)
Post by: skyironsword on December 05, 2013, 12:40:41 am
Post by: Submachine on December 05, 2013, 12:45:12 am
Yay! I can finally give my opponent singularities! Obscure decks are obscure! And fun! ... and somehow quite balanced.
Watch out because SN would drain your quanta instead of generating. ;) Unless you play Reversing mirror after the second SN and then PU.
Post by: skyironsword on December 05, 2013, 12:45:49 am
Post by: eljoemo on December 05, 2013, 02:26:33 am
After looking at the list of abilities, here's some suggestions:
- Mitosis, Kill all other copies of the target card OR Kill a random copy of the target card
- Freeze, Freeze your weapon OR Cast immortality on the creature
- Ice bolt, Give 2 purify counters to the target per every 10 :water. May freeze the target.
- Nymph's Tears, Target becomes a pillar / tower of its element. (Tower depends on whether it is upped. Other creatures give Quantums)
- Dry Spell, Cast flooding for a turn
- Holy Light, Damage the target for up to 10 HP. Heal if the target's element is :death or :darkness
- Blessing, Inflict 3 poison counters to the target creature
- Luciferin, All creatures with a skill lose it and gain "bio-luminescence"
- Flying weapon, destroy your weapon OR Fly opponent's weapon OR Play a dagger
- Shard of Readiness, Add 2 quanta to the cost of the creature's ability. If target is :time, lobotomize. (Quanta added is the same type as current or of card element if the ability uses other quanta or is free.)
Just thinking about how some of those would work is mind boggling ?_?
Post by: dawn to dusk on December 06, 2013, 08:52:28 am
Yay! I can finally give my opponent singularities! Obscure decks are obscure! And fun! ... and somehow quite balanced.
Watch out because SN would drain your quanta instead of generating. ;) Unless you play Reversing mirror after the second SN and then PU.
THIS IS THE BEST DECK EVER!!!!! I WOULD SO USE THIS ALWAYS
anyway, what if mitosis took away all creatures of the same name and gave it an ability to create a malignant cell?
Post by: andretimpa on October 31, 2014, 09:09:18 pm
Aflatoxin: Purify the creature (opposite of poisoning)
Mitosis: The creature gains the skill to kill itself (opposite of creating new creatures)
Freeze: remove freeze and deal one damage (burn)
Icebolt: deal the damage to yourself (same as firebolt)
Nymph's Tears: Target a creature and turn it into a pillar of its element
Dry Spell: Heal the creatures and drain :water quanta
Holy Light: Switch the elemental hate to light and life
Blessing: grant -3/-3
Luciferin: take 10 damage and the creatures gain the skill to generate :darkness
Flying Weapon: Fly the opponent's weapon
Shard of Readiness: lobotomize the creature (SoR makes easy to use a skill. lobo makes it impossible)
Post by: Submachine on October 31, 2014, 09:36:45 pm
My take on the missing ones (necro FTW)Thanks for them! :) I added everything except Freeze, which I'm still unsure of.
Aflatoxin: Purify the creature (opposite of poisoning)
Mitosis: The creature gains the skill to kill itself (opposite of creating new creatures)
Freeze: remove freeze and deal one damage (burn)
Icebolt: deal the damage to yourself (same as firebolt)
Nymph's Tears: Target a creature and turn it into a pillar of its element
Dry Spell: Heal the creatures and drain :water quanta
Holy Light: Switch the elemental hate to light and life
Blessing: grant -3/-3
Luciferin: take 10 damage and the creatures gain the skill to generate :darkness
Flying Weapon: Fly the opponent's weapon
Shard of Readiness: lobotomize the creature (SoR makes easy to use a skill. lobo makes it impossible)
Any suggestions on the card, balance-wise? ^^
Post by: CuCN on November 01, 2014, 01:00:35 am
Post by: Submachine on November 01, 2014, 07:24:58 am
Compare effects listed here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/crucible-archive/shard-of-chaos-shard-of-chaos/Didn't see that before. I read through the conversation now and see that the creator of the original idea gave up, so I guess it's okay if I continue-ish. >_> Furthermore, my idea is different, because it's not a shard, it is limited to only spell effects (and creatures with spell damage) and leaves direct PC unaffected.
I'm thinking of changing the "give singularity to opponent" mechanic.