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« on: July 23, 2012, 03:44:56 am »
NAME:
Quark Burst
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your opponent cannot reflect spell damage for a turn. Deal 1 damage for every 5 :gravity  in your possession.
NAME:
Quark Burst
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your opponent cannot reflect spell damage for a turn. Deal 1 damage for every 5 :gravity  in your possession.

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NOTES:
Why not make a temporary reflective bypass?

For the sake of allowing it to get by Reflecting, Quark Burst only deals target to the opponent and cannot target.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524692#msg524692
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 08:50:04 pm »
Can I get your thoughts on the following ideas, preferably in their respective threads?
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So a spell that should be reflected causes all targeted spells to not be reflected for that turn? That sounds like targeting an untargetable object.
It is balanced despite its paradoxical effect.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524705#msg524705
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 09:05:32 pm »
Hm. I think this is a nice direct-damage late game spell. Or mid-game spell if you've got lots of extra  :gravity.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524724#msg524724
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 09:44:10 pm »
So a spell that should be reflected causes all targeted spells to not be reflected for that turn? That sounds like targeting an untargetable object.

I'm working off that gamma rays are produced from quarks, which permeate objects quite easily.  And for that period in which there is radiation, other energies [spells] can bypass objects.

[SOURCE: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0502297]

Then again, astrophysics isn't my thing, so I could just be getting this wrong.  But I think I'm right...
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524734#msg524734
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 10:13:05 pm »
So a spell that should be reflected causes all targeted spells to not be reflected for that turn? That sounds like targeting an untargetable object.

I'm working off that gamma rays are produced from quarks, which permeate objects quite easily.  And for that period in which there is radiation, other energies [spells] can bypass objects.

[SOURCE: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0502297]

Then again, astrophysics isn't my thing, so I could just be getting this wrong.  But I think I'm right...
When will a shield that reflects gamma rays be added?
When will a ray that bypasses even a shield that reflects gamma rays be added?
...
This is the mirror image of the block unblockable problem.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524740#msg524740
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 10:28:11 pm »
Probably never, since this is only a bypass that lasts a turn.  It's like asking if there will be a shield that will block Momentum.  Outside of lobotomizing it, that is.

And including gamma rays was only meant for thematics.  It shouldn't have any effect on mechanics...

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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524771#msg524771
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2012, 11:53:22 pm »
I think Oldtree's issue is that it mechanically disregards reflection, which should reflect all spells...I'd think this spell would rebound on the user, and then cancel reflection on yourself...Perhaps a better wording is:
Delays opponent's shield, does 1 damage per 5 :gravity in your possession.
Basically, instead of going through the opponent's shield, it can shut it off for a turn, allowing creature penetration of enemy defenses, fitting  :gravity's theme better.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524801#msg524801
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 02:28:38 am »
It's like asking if there will be a shield that will block Momentum.
Except this is the the shield and mirror shield is the reflection in that analogy.

Some ideas do not parse: Block unblockable, target untargetable and a targeted spell that is not affected by something that affects targeted spells.
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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524824#msg524824
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 03:04:50 am »
Ah.  I think I get it now.

But what if the damage from this is not to be registered as spell damage, like how damage from Nightmare isn't reflected?

In any case, I should switch the order of the text...  The disabling of spell reflection should come first...

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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524840#msg524840
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 03:46:03 am »
Yes!  I like :)  It provides a way to deal with reflective shields without completely ruining them.  Plus, it has some utility on its own, though weaker than other bolt spells.  Interestingly, it's also better for the most part in duos, because other than this card itself, monogravity doesn't care about the reflective part of shields.

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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524844#msg524844
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 04:00:06 am »
I like it. It is kind of like a chimera for spell damage.

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Re: Quark Burst | Quark Burst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42180.msg524878#msg524878
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2012, 05:15:07 am »
Ah.  I think I get it now.

But what if the damage from this is not to be registered as spell damage, like how damage from Nightmare isn't reflected?

In any case, I should switch the order of the text...  The disabling of spell reflection should come first...
If you make it so it is not a targeted spell then it will not be reflected.
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