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Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320398#msg320398
« on: April 26, 2011, 03:39:12 pm »
NAME:
Quantum Spiral
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
If you have exactly three non-empty quantum pools, produces a quantum for each of those types.
NAME:
Quantum Spiral
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
If you have exactly three non-empty quantum pools, produces a quantum for each of those types.
ART:
http://wallpapers-diq.net/it_12__Blue_Energy_Tornado.html
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Produces quantum at the end of every turn. You can have up to 6 of these in a deck.
SERIES:
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So, after thinking for half an afternoon on a good quantum mechanic that could make trios work in a satisfactory way, I decided that I should point out the obvious solution. I don't know if this has been done before, but I think it deserves at least a thought.

1) The mechanic is thought in such a way as to allow good trio decks. This is because you ideally play 6 of these along with two kinds of pillars / pendulums and a mark to have three quantum pools as soon as possible. Since this works only if you have three non-empty pools, in order to make this work you can't use novas or immos, and you MUST use a good number of pillars / pendulums for each type. That makes those decks kinda heavy on quanta generation as it is, so that adding the benefit of a triple quantum generator is not unbalanced. Probably works better for stalls than for rushes, which is an added benefit.
2) Discord kills this. I though I should point this out.
3) Three quanta of a "chosen" type is strong, but it is kind of balanced out by the requirements, if you think about it.
4) This may allow for better Mindgate decks, as you can use a duo and count on the opponent for the third element. Check out Mirror Pendulum: that too would be a good card to combo this with.
5) I need advice balancing the cost. I would like to keep this not free, because otherwise it screws auto-mulligan. If needed, I can make it slightly more powerful, but I want to keep at least a 1-quanta cost.

Also, the name was inspired by the image, but I would likely change it if a better one comes up.
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320416#msg320416
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 04:11:49 pm »
I actually really like this idea and find it quite balanced:

1st: It helps trio decks

2nd: It is easily counterable by discord

however I have a question:

what happens when one quanta pool suddenly has no quanta and there are only two left? It doesn't simply produce the quanta?

Also i recommend naming it:

Tri-Quanta Tower
or Trio-Force Tower

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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320419#msg320419
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 04:19:54 pm »
what happens when one quanta pool suddenly has no quanta and there are only two left? It doesn't simply produce the quanta?
Yes. You should pay attention to have at least one quantum left in each pool, if you want it to produce quanta at the end of your turn.
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320483#msg320483
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 05:42:39 pm »
It's a very limited scenario card.

Perhaps change it to permit giving you quanta for 1, 2, or 3... and then capping there (no quanta if you have too many).
Should only cost 1 quanta to play.

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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320493#msg320493
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 05:48:52 pm »
It's a very limited scenario card.

Perhaps change it to permit giving you quanta for 1, 2, or 3... and then capping there (no quanta if you have too many).
Should only cost 1 quanta to play.
The point of this card is to increase possible scenarios. If it has limited uses in the current metagame, it doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't got many possible uses in future ones.

Also, I thought about your idea initially, but it doesn't work. The card would be mostly used for duo decks, being a double pillar that only needs some other pillars and a mark to work off. That could be a good idea, too, I suppose, enhancing duo decks a lot. But it is not the purpose of this card, as duo decks already have pendulums to help with quanta balancing. This tries to open up a new spot.
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320625#msg320625
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 09:02:33 pm »
It's a very limited scenario card.

Perhaps change it to permit giving you quanta for 1, 2, or 3... and then capping there (no quanta if you have too many).
Should only cost 1 quanta to play.
The point of this card is to increase possible scenarios. If it has limited uses in the current metagame, it doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't got many possible uses in future ones.

Also, I thought about your idea initially, but it doesn't work. The card would be mostly used for duo decks, being a double pillar that only needs some other pillars and a mark to work off. That could be a good idea, too, I suppose, enhancing duo decks a lot. But it is not the purpose of this card, as duo decks already have pendulums to help with quanta balancing. This tries to open up a new spot.
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg320632#msg320632
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 09:11:10 pm »
Would Cyclonic Rift be a good name?

Overall, I like the card, it's a good way to implement a multi-pillar without making it OP.

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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg321112#msg321112
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 12:35:53 pm »
I kinda like Tri-Force better. Zelda references ftw. :P
I might change the picture completely, too...
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg321158#msg321158
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 02:27:15 pm »
I kinda like Tri-Force better. Zelda references ftw. :P
I might change the picture completely, too...
I was going to suggest Tri-force in my suggestions but I tried to refrain from it since tri-force is already a concept in like 3 games and heaps of products/services  :-\
but it's up to you.

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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg321162#msg321162
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 02:36:11 pm »
Don't worry, I was joking. ;)
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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg321163#msg321163
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 02:41:01 pm »
increase it to 3-4 elements and do 1 quanta for 3 random elements?

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Re: Quantum Spiral | Quantum Spiral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25113.msg321172#msg321172
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 03:02:08 pm »
increase it to 3-4 elements and do 1 quanta for 3 random elements?
Might be an idea worth considering. How would you word it though? It should fit...
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