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Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110435#msg1110435
« on: November 19, 2013, 07:29:19 pm »
NAME:
Lateral Thought
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
1 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Returns to hand next turn.
Replace a non-spell card in  hand with a spell card or pillar of the same element.
NAME:
Innovation
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
3 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Replace all non-spell cards in your hand with spell cards or pillars of the same element.
Heal 5 hp per card affected.

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A fun, very entropy like card. It basically replaces cards you don't want with random spells or pillars from the same element.

Upgraded cards will be replaced by Towers instead of Pillars.

The chance for a card to be replaced by a pillar instead of a spell is based on the total quanta in the player's pool of that card's element.

I'm not fixed on a scaling factor, but I think something like 50 / sqrt(1 + :chroma ) percent. I.e. if the pool is full, its under 6 percent, if the pool is empty, its a 50% chance

If you target a pillar with the unupgraded version, it will always become a spell card, regardless of the amount of quanta in your pool.

For the upgraded version, pillars and towers only count as being "affected" if they change into a spell-card.

Pendulums will always get affected as they will become either a pillar or a spell card.

For the unupgraded version, the card will be placed in the owner's hand again at the start of their next turn. If there is no space, it is lost.å

…Maybe mindgate will see a little more love now ;)

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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110439#msg1110439
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2013, 07:48:31 pm »
This is either really good or is there an accidentally overpowered aspect to it.

A deck full of  :fire towers, a mark of  :entropy and 3 of those and 6 braveries and 6 ball lightnings.
Results in ultra fast cremation, mass firebolt deck with some firestorms to spare?

A deck full of  :entropy towers, and 0 cost creatures.  = chaos, mutation, antimatter, butterfly effect, and pandemonium?

Hmmm...

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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110467#msg1110467
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 09:15:27 pm »
So... if you have a quantum pillar in hand...

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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110476#msg1110476
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 09:37:23 pm »
This is either really good or is there an accidentally overpowered aspect to it.

A deck full of  :fire towers, a mark of  :entropy and 3 of those and 6 braveries and 6 ball lightnings.
Results in ultra fast cremation, mass firebolt deck with some firestorms to spare?

A deck full of  :entropy towers, and 0 cost creatures.  = chaos, mutation, antimatter, butterfly effect, and pandemonium?

Hmmm...
I think it should be pretty balanced... At least, I can't think of any obviously OP uses off the top of my head anyway.
The fire spell slinger idea you gave is more or less the kind of thing I was aiming for enabling with this... although there is no guarantee that you will get the spell you want, hence the entropy theme...
You could get cremation, or you could get firebolt, firestorm, or ragepotion...
I'm hoping the element of randomness will help to keep it more or less balanced.

So... if you have a quantum pillar in hand...

 :o
It would turn into a spell from a randomly selected element...
similarly, you could convert a sword or dagger into either a quantum pillar or a random spell.... Could be very fun with animate weapon and fractal
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110485#msg1110485
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 09:57:01 pm »
Why wouldn't it turn into a Relic? Relic is spell.


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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110487#msg1110487
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 10:02:44 pm »
Why wouldn't it turn into a Relic? Relic is spell.


You can't target a relic... because its a spell ;)
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110494#msg1110494
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 10:48:07 pm »
Turn INTO a relic

Y u no read

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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110557#msg1110557
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 01:02:38 am »
Turn INTO a relic

Y u no read
Sorry... must be lysdexia... erm... for the same reason SoSe won't make relics either?...
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110586#msg1110586
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 02:38:21 am »
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110643#msg1110643
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 05:19:11 am »
This card would either be unused or way powerful. Like SoI, its mostly useless in conventional decks, but if you build a deck just for it, its pretty damn powerful. There would be no reason to include this in a normal deck IMO. Rainbow alternative to SoSer maybe? But other than that it wouldn't work out.

Put it in its own deck however, and BAM, its just killer.

6*this + 6*horned frog + 18 life pillars + entropy mark = super-mito-adrena-heal-frogs

Or in mono :fire like keeps said

But the most OP of all, :death . A hell load of poison, plagues, aflas and most importantly SoSac is just incredible
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110739#msg1110739
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 01:44:14 pm »
This card would either be unused or way powerful. Like SoI, its mostly useless in conventional decks, but if you build a deck just for it, its pretty damn powerful. There would be no reason to include this in a normal deck IMO. Rainbow alternative to SoSer maybe? But other than that it wouldn't work out.

Put it in its own deck however, and BAM, its just killer.

6*this + 6*horned frog + 18 life pillars + entropy mark = super-mito-adrena-heal-frogs

Or in mono :fire like keeps said

But the most OP of all, :death . A hell load of poison, plagues, aflas and most importantly SoSac is just incredible
Hmm... I think shards would probably be exempted. I concieved this card as operating like SoSe wrt. the kinds of spell cards it would provide (i.e. SoSe cant give you shards, so this card would not either).

I suppose you may have a point that this wouldn't see heavy use in conventional decks... Although I would probably include one or two for no other reason than to provide slight protection against nightmare.
It is also fairly useful in providing a means of gaining more pillars in a pinch, so maybe it could see use in mitigating bad draws a little.

The main use I saw for it (outsided of decks centered around it) was to give players a means of swapping out cards when they don't need them.
For instance, suppose I have a deck which uses chaos powered otyughs and fallen elves to eat enemies but I come up against an aether deck that has all immaterial creatures. I could start trading out otyunghs and / or elves in hopes of finding more useful spells (i.e. butterfly effects, or blackholes to pair with discord)

Is this enough to keep it useful or would it be too situational?
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Re: Lateral Thought | Innovation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52427.msg1110825#msg1110825
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 10:24:39 pm »
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... ... so why exactly did you post this?
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