Planetary Extinction | Mass Extinction

[Dominator497]

NAME: Planetary Extinction ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 15 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Select one of your creatures to kill. All creatures of this element die. Lose all quanta of this type.	NAME: Mass Extinction ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 15 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Select any creature to kill. All creatures of this element die. Lose all quanta.

ART: http://www.hdwallpapers.in/planets_burning-wallpapers.html IDEA: Dominator497 NOTES: This is the second generation version of the idea. It kills any creatures, friendly or not. SERIES:

[skyironsword]

Unupped is far worse than the upped, for the opponent will likely not have creatures of the same element. Maybe splash (loosely using 'splash' here) into a rainbow, so you can kill any element?

[Dominator497]

Unupped is far worse than the upped, for the opponent will likely not have creatures of the same element. Maybe splash (loosely using 'splash' here) into a rainbow, so you can kill any element?

Not sure I understand what you mean by splash into a rainbow.

Also, don't forget there are plenty of ways to copy opponents creatures, or create some of your own. Fate egg, mutation, duality on sanctuary, parallel universe, fractal, steal creature creators like graveyard, or not to mention rainbow decks carry many types of creatures more often than not.

Also, upgraded card removes all of your quanta. Unupped doesn't.

Maybe I change it so perhaps unupped kills all creatures of you or your opponent's elemental marks, and drains all of your quanta, and maybe the upgraded lets you pick the element of any creature on the field, kill all creatures of that element, then drain all quanta (or maybe give quanta to your opponent).

There are so many ways it could go.

[skyironsword]

I'm just saying that the unupped is horrible, seeing as you need another card to copy/create a card of your opponent's element.

[OdinVanguard]

Hmm...  destroying all creatures of a particular element is going to be very powerful against monos and duos… On the other hand, it may have very little effect against rainbows.

That will make this card a bit situational… Coupled with the potentially very heavy effect against monos, I think its going to be very tricky to balance.

Draining all quanta of the target's type is normal a very good balance, but considering that the main use of this is likely to be with PU, I don't think it will be very effective in this case.

This is going to be a tough card to get balanced properly.

[Dominator497]

Hmm...  destroying all creatures of a particular element is going to be very powerful against monos and duos… On the other hand, it may have very little effect against rainbows.

That will make this card a bit situational… Coupled with the potentially very heavy effect against monos, I think its going to be very tricky to balance.

Draining all quanta of the target's type is normal a very good balance, but considering that the main use of this is likely to be with PU, I don't think it will be very effective in this case.

This is going to be a tough card to get balanced properly.

What if I left the first (the unupped) card the same, then changed the upgraded to be something like:
choose any creature on the field to kill, kill all creatures of that element, AND remove all quanta and do something with permanents, like remove all permanents, or remove largest pillar stack.
Or maybe after choosing any creature to kill, kill all of your own creatures and any creatures of the element you chose. And remove all your quanta.

Or a completely new upgraded card idea. I think the unupped is at least decently balanced. Useful but not super powerful, while the upgraded is way the hell too powerful.

[OdinVanguard]

One of the reasons that draining quanta of the target's element doesn't help much is that you would most likely want to use it on a target that doesn't match any element you use.

A better option may be to have it drain quanta based on the creatures that get destroyed… Maybe "drain 3 random quanta per creature destroyed"…
Alternately, it could drain current or max HP as well.

[Dominator497]

One of the reasons that draining quanta of the target's element doesn't help much is that you would most likely want to use it on a target that doesn't match any element you use.

A better option may be to have it drain quanta based on the creatures that get destroyed… Maybe "drain 3 random quanta per creature destroyed"…
Alternately, it could drain current or max HP as well.

Now I like that.
Does 2 quanta per HP removed sound too much?

and yeah, my bad. Forgot I changed it to remove quanta of that element's type. I don't like that either

[Dominator497]

What if the unupped card went like, 15  to play. same method of killing. choose one of your creatures, kill all creatures of the same element, and remove 2 random quanta per HP removed from the field.

For the upped card, how about 15  to play, and you can select any creature on the field. All creatures of that element are killed, all your quanta removed. and like -30 hp

[skyironsword]

Upped should have the same defect as unupped; they should both remove quanta or HP. Not have the upped remove HP and the unupped quanta.

[Dominator497]

Upped should have the same defect as unupped; they should both remove quanta or HP. Not have the upped remove HP and the unupped quanta.

So scratch the 30 Hp. Then is it closer to balanced?

So
unupped card : 15  to play.  choose one of your creatures, kill all creatures of the same element, and remove 2 random quanta per HP removed from the field.
For the upped card: 15  to play, and you can select any creature on the field. All creatures of that element are killed, all your quanta removed.

Still seems too OP for the upped card to me. What if all quanta is removed, and you don't gain any at the beginning of the next turn?

[skyironsword]

Well, in general, "kill all anything" cards are generally disliked by the community. They're hard to balance, as they either lay waste to a rush or do the opposite to a stall.