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Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075675#msg1075675
« on: May 30, 2013, 02:24:36 pm »
NAME:
Phalanx
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
4 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Both players draw up to 1 shield from their decks. Double the HP of all creatures.
NAME:
Phalanx
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Both players draw up to 1 shield from their decks. Double the HP of all creatures.

ART:
pineapple, original: sxc.hu
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Need feedback on effect and cost balancing. Open to suggestions on better title/theme.
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« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 07:07:33 pm by Pineapple »

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075678#msg1075678
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2013, 02:33:29 pm »
What if one or both of the players don't have any shields? Are the shields played or put in hand? What's the cost going to do?
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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075682#msg1075682
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 02:50:06 pm »
What if one or both of the players don't have any shields? Are the shields played or put in hand? What's the cost going to do?

Players draw 1 shield from their deck to their hand. If there are 0 shields, then they draw nothing instead.

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075687#msg1075687
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 03:35:17 pm »
It makes a lovely combo with gravity shield :) armagio and titan too
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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075695#msg1075695
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 04:13:06 pm »
I think the cost can be lowered a bit. It may get you a card, but it's drawing a card for much more than ore cards already in game, and then you still have to play the shield (assuming that was the purpose of having this card). And since this draw isn't repeatable like hourglass, you don't have to overcompensate cost. Even though it's letting you, (possibly/probably) draw target card, you could argue that that part is so important or crucial that it demands a higher cost, but a shield is hardly as game-breaking as, say, getting your single creature of an OTK (but if you know of any shield OTKs, do let me know) (and I don't mean the opponent killing itself).

So for that part of the card, I feel it's cost could be lowered by one. As for the doubling of hp, because it affects the opponent's creatures as well, I think that part is balanced. You're probably not going to be running a heavy CC deck and this at the same time.
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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1075706#msg1075706
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 05:00:57 pm »
I think the cost can be lowered a bit. It may get you a card, but it's drawing a card for much more than ore cards already in game, and then you still have to play the shield (assuming that was the purpose of having this card). And since this draw isn't repeatable like hourglass, you don't have to overcompensate cost. Even though it's letting you, (possibly/probably) draw target card, you could argue that that part is so important or crucial that it demands a higher cost, but a shield is hardly as game-breaking as, say, getting your single creature of an OTK (but if you know of any shield OTKs, do let me know) (and I don't mean the opponent killing itself).

So for that part of the card, I feel it's cost could be lowered by one. As for the doubling of hp, because it affects the opponent's creatures as well, I think that part is balanced. You're probably not going to be running a heavy CC deck and this at the same time.

Hm...Perhaps. I was thinking that 3/2 was getting a bit too close to Precognition, even though the effect "draw 1 card" tied to Gravity. Plus, in a Gravity Shield, 1-2 of these will basically ruin all non-momentum'd creatures on the field at that time. Furthermore, in a Dimensional Shield deck, I can expect this card would make it impossible to draw into a broken chain even with 40+ cards. That's why I tried to keep it as expensive as possible.

So before I change it, I'll wait for more feedback.

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081872#msg1081872
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 07:06:56 pm »
Updated with filler art. Is this ready for the Crucible?

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081880#msg1081880
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 07:12:59 pm »
Gravity shield would block anyone with 3 or more HP instead of 6 (Gravity shield doesn't actually block creatures with exactly 5 HP)

And if you play it twice, it blocks anyone with 2 or more HP... :o

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081884#msg1081884
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 07:36:12 pm »
Gravity shield would block anyone with 3 or more HP instead of 6 (Gravity shield doesn't actually block creatures with exactly 5 HP)

And if you play it twice, it blocks anyone with 2 or more HP... :o

Yup. That means you don't support a cost decrease as suggested by Rutarete, right? But do you think it's balanced as is, or is it too powerful? If you think it's too powerful, do you think it can be balanced by just increasing the cost, or should I change the effect to something like "... Increase the HP of all creatures by 25%."?

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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081894#msg1081894
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 08:05:08 pm »
Gravity shield would block anyone with 3 or more HP instead of 6 (Gravity shield doesn't actually block creatures with exactly 5 HP)

And if you play it twice, it blocks anyone with 2 or more HP... :o
Anything played after can still get rough, you know. (Momentum or low hp or whatever),  so I don't see that as too big a problem.
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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081903#msg1081903
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 08:30:59 pm »
The HP part  is pretty good with Voodoo (much better than BB), Armagio and Catapult.
The shield part is... why would anyone use this card instead of another copy of your shield? Only few decks have 6 shields and need them ASAP, and they say dims are powerful enough to be buffed
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Re: Phalanx | Phalanx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49573.msg1081906#msg1081906
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 08:38:22 pm »
The shield part is... why would anyone use this card instead of another copy of your shield?

D'oh, that's actually a really good question. I haven't thought of it like that.

However, I guess using its secondary effect and deck thinning has its benefits over some dead draws, so...

 

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