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Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106567#msg1106567
« on: October 30, 2013, 08:30:49 am »
NAME:
Pentagram
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:entropy: Change card cost of target card in your hand into your mark for one turn.
NAME:
Pentagram
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
2 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:entropy: Change card cost of target card in your hand into your mark for one turn.

ART:
http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/ma61022,1267872242,a_pentagramm7.jpg
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Changes the quanta which a card needs to be played.
If used on an 'other' card, it now requires the specific quanta of your mark to be played.
If used on Miracle/Sky Blitz/Fractal, it still drains the quanta of the specific element (but now needs quanta of your mark to be played) (Miracle still drains all light quanta, ...)
The ability cost of a card doesn't change (If used on Pharao or Hourglas, they still need :time for their ability)
A creatures element doesn't change. As soon as a creature enters play or the turn ends, the quanta it needs to be played is changed back to normal. So if targeted with fractal at any time, the copies are of the original element of the card.
(And even if you change a creature card to :darkness, it isn't effected my nightfall/eclipse.)
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Normally I can tell if a card is UP or OP, but this time I just can't tell. It sure is funny to be able to splash dim shields, fractals or whatever you like into an entropy deck. or go the other way, with a duo with entropy pendulums and another mark, and splash whatever you like into that second element. I think there are really a lot of possibilities with this card. But you will still need an extra card space for this card to be played, and I think rainbows will still be more powerful than whatever this card can do, so I don't think it's OP. Further, this card is probably pretty useless in rainbows, but I didn't want to power them up anyway. But, with this card, you can splash whatever you like in an entropy deck, so it may be OP after all? Or is it UP, because you need to much quanta for this+the cards you want to play?

As for the element of this card, should it be :darkness or something else, to make it a duo with :entropy cost? (and probably less cost/and or 1 unspecific ability cost for the upped?) I think it fits well with demon summoning and demons being part of entropy and so on, but I am not entirely sure.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 07:24:54 pm by Keolino »
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Re: Pentagram/Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106580#msg1106580
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 11:41:15 am »
Would be pretty fun to play Mono Entropy with this and SoSe.
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Re: Pentagram/Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106581#msg1106581
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 12:21:02 pm »
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Re: Pentagram/Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106597#msg1106597
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 02:52:07 pm »
Would be pretty fun to play Mono Entropy with this and SoSe.

I didn't even think of that card :D But it is definitely one nice combination :D
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Re: Pentagram/Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106603#msg1106603
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 03:46:37 pm »
Make sure to use the vertical bar [ " | " ] so it reads as Pentagram | Pentagram.

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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106643#msg1106643
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 10:03:08 pm »
So pentagram + fractal makes you being not hurt from losing all your aether quanta, right?
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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106645#msg1106645
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 10:10:10 pm »
So pentagram + fractal makes you being not hurt from losing all your aether quanta, right?

well, I know that in mtg, similar effects say this "change all instances of one color to one other color in the text of target card for one turn" (includes costs of abilities) while others say "this card is target color in addition to its other colors"/"target becomes color of your choice until the end of turn" (which does not change costs to play the card nor any text). These may appear not to serve much purpose, but other cards with different effects play off color (Protection from blue means cant be targeted or damaged by any blue cards, while other effects may say blue creatures get +1/+1).

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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106677#msg1106677
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 06:58:32 am »
So pentagram + fractal makes you being not hurt from losing all your aether quanta, right?

If you have entropy mark, the card cost of fractal changes to entropy. The effect doesn't change, so it still drains your aether quanta. In a "mono" entropy deck you don't have any aether quanta, so that wouldn't matter one bit.

So instead of the drawback of losing all your aether quanta in a mono aether deck, you need pentagram (so extra cards in your deck and some quanta) to play fractal. Since this is some drawback as well and there aren't perfect fractal targets in entropy (like phase recluse/Psion) this should be fine.
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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106678#msg1106678
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 07:01:18 am »
Is the cost high enough to prevent abuse with multiple Sky Blitzes in one turn?

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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106686#msg1106686
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 08:20:46 am »
Is the cost high enough to prevent abuse with multiple Sky Blitzes in one turn?

No, it's not. But you need, to play more then one sky blitz in one turn, more then one pentagram as well.
Further, even with 6 pentagrams in your deck, this will still be at least as unstable as a SNBow (Since there is no guarantee you will draw it.)
I guess, with 3 or less pentagrams, it's pretty useless to hope to be able to play more than one sky blitz.

So my assumption on a "good" Mono Airborne Entropy deck would be something like

7 Towers
6 Pendulums
4 Pentagrams
6 Amethyst Dragons
1 Sky Dragon
4 Sky Blitz

So, to play such a dack, you need a good amount of sky blitzes, a good amount of pentagrams, a good amount of flying creatures and a good amount of quanta. And fitting all that in one deck, you will want shards of freedom as well to get above shields and gain protection from CC. I don't think that a deck is too easy to built and I don't think that it would be faster or stronger than mono air in any way.

But OTKs will have new possibilities and combos, because they can, with one pentagram out, play at least a second skyblitz and probably achive the OTK with less cards and probably faster as well.
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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106716#msg1106716
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 04:48:23 pm »
You could simplify the user interaction by changing it to:

" :entropy: Card costs of cards in your hand change to your mark for one turn. This effect ends when you play a card."
« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 04:50:18 pm by jawdirk »

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Re: Pentagram | Pentagram https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52059.msg1106769#msg1106769
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 02:33:57 am »
Okay, here is the big question.  Why Entropy?
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