Overdrive | Hyperdrive

[RavingRabbid]

I don't understand why Fire Bolt does only 3 damage, but fractal consumes your life.

If HP are considered quanta, then fire bolt should be OVER 9000!
If they are not, fractal just consumes its 9/8 quanta.

[finkel]

This card allows you to use your HP to pay for quanta costs. Bolts and Lances cost very little quanta, and take into consideration how much quanta of a specific element you have. Hyperdrive doesn't allow you to use your hp as a replacement for any element under cards that target a specific quanta. Seriously, there's you way you could misconstrue this card as doing that.

[RavingRabbid]

This card allows you to use your HP to pay for quanta costs. Bolts and Lances cost very little quanta, and take into consideration how much quanta of a specific element you have. Hyperdrive doesn't allow you to use your hp as a replacement for any element under cards that target a specific quanta. Seriously, there's you way you could misconstrue this card as doing that.

The fractal cost is 9 aether quanta. The effect remove all  quanta, is an effect, and not a cost. If it removes all the left hp as they were quanta, so should them count as an unlimited amount of quanta for firebolt-icebolt-siphonlife

[Bloodshadow]

I see the quanta-draining effect of all Advanced Spells as costs.

When quanta is used, HP is used instead. Bolts don't actually use quanta (except the cost), and that's why you can't use HP as quanta for Fire Bolt.

[RavingRabbid]

I see the quanta-draining effect of all Advanced Spells as costs.

When quanta is used, HP is used instead. Bolts don't actually use quanta (except the cost), and that's why you can't use HP as quanta for Fire Bolt.

Cost is 9/8. Otherwise you could play fractal with no  quanta. And bolts don't use quanta, but, if the HP can be used as quanta, they are quanta. So they'd do unlimited damage.


(The real problem is: why with Fractal and not with Bolts?)

[Bloodshadow]

HP can be used as quanta, but they're not equivalent to quanta.

The cost for Fractal is 9+infinity / 8+infinity.

[RavingRabbid]

HP can be used as quanta, but they're not equivalent to quanta.

The cost for Fractal is 9+infinity / 8+infinity.

The cost for Fractal is 9

[miniwally]

HP can be used as quanta, but they're not equivalent to quanta.

The cost for Fractal is 9+infinity / 8+infinity.

The cost for Fractal is 9

If it only costs 9 then how come when I have 15 quanta it reduces it too 0 quanta I think that BS's way of saying it is a lot better of yours otherwise I wouldn't lose the whole 15 just 9 of it, I don't know if you think there's a better way of explainng the extra quanta cost but I think BS's way of explaining it is better.

[RavingRabbid]

HP can be used as quanta, but they're not equivalent to quanta.

The cost for Fractal is 9+infinity / 8+infinity.

The cost for Fractal is 9

If it only costs 9 then how come when I have 15 quanta it reduces it too 0 quanta I think that BS's way of saying it is a lot better of yours otherwise I wouldn't lose the whole 15 just 9 of it, I don't know if you think there's a better way of explainng the extra quanta cost but I think BS's way of explaining it is better.

The extra quanta thing is not a cost. The extra quanta thing is an effect of fractal, not the cost

[Bloodshadow]

Well, regardless of whether it's a cost or an effects, Fractal still drains all your HP, because your HP is used as quanta. The effect of Fire Bolt doesn't actually drain your quanta, so that's why it doesn't gain additional damage.

[Seravy]

Do I understand well and this card allows

6x Nova
6x Hyperdrive
18x any dragon or other powerful expensive creature

decks that can play 4-6x dragons on turn one, winning on turn two or at worst three consistently?
(Throw in 2-3 Liquid Shadows if necessary to get back spent life and play another ton of dragons when you draw another nova+hyperdrive...not that you'll ever need that)

By the way, this isn't supposed to drain any life when using Miracle. Miracle drains your quanta pool, which is empty. Miracle doesn't says you have to PAY all your quanta, it just removes it, and even if it does, you don't have any. Besides, Overdrive says you can use life to pay for Quanta COSTS. Draining quanta by Miracle or Fractal is not a cost, it is an effect of the card.

But all of that doesn't matter when I can win on turn two 90% of the time.
Add this card and we'll finally have a false god farmer deck that wins over 90% of the time and doesn't take too long to play games either...but limit it to be usable against false gods only
Ok, joking...this card is the most overpowered you can make in a card game like this, right after the "pay 1 life : draw a card" one. This was overpowered even in a game with a starting life of 20, and here we have 100.

[Bloodshadow]

It's overpowered now? This used to have a cost of 30/25, and it was weak. Should I raise the cost then?

By the way, this isn't supposed to drain any life when using Miracle. Miracle drains your quanta pool, which is empty. Miracle doesn't says you have to PAY all your quanta, it just removes it, and even if it does, you don't have any. Besides, Overdrive says you can use life to pay for Quanta COSTS. Draining quanta by Miracle or Fractal is not a cost, it is an effect of the card.

As I said before, HP can be substituted for quanta whenever quanta is deducted. Miracle deducts your quanta, so it deducts your HP; Fire Bolt doesn't. I'm tired of debating about this; I want it this way, and it's not going to be changed.