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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61657#msg61657
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2010, 12:27:55 pm »
I have to agree with xdude. Eventually people will get this card, not everyone. When that happens, they'll have an edge over other people because of RNG/luck or what have you. Overpowered card is OP.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61661#msg61661
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 12:33:58 pm »
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I lol'd!

cost 30 quanta? That's a joke right?
Cost can be varied. For a card like this I'm willing to accept even a 100 quanta cost.
Considering how everyone is yelling that it is OP, this is probably the only way to balance it. :) But seriously, increasing the cost will help.
Unupped cost: 50 (Just outside the reach of 2 Novas)
Upped cost: 45 (Just within the reach of 2 Novas)

How 'bout it?

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61683#msg61683
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010, 01:52:59 pm »
Sorry, still no icy.

This just stacks too well with rustler.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61797#msg61797
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2010, 05:25:17 pm »
You can't make a card that basically gives wins you the match.  It is an unfair advantage to those that get the card...  Nymphs are not overpowering standalone cards (cept maybe gravity nymph).  They have a high cost to compensate for how good they really are... Air nymph is orgasmic. 

Another issue is colorless quanta.  It is impossible to balance a card when it can use all quanta.  Nova bam... +12 quanta. Supernova +22.  Immolate +18.  Cremate +20.  There is little you can do to compensate that quanta gain.

I would really suggest giving up on this card idea and creating a new one.  You are trying to force the current card to fit and it is not going to happen.  Sure you may win a few extra votes with this card but in the wrong way...

This is too an autowin card!
DECK:
12 x Entropy Pillar
6 x Super Nova
4 x Overdrive
4 x Fractal
4 x PICK YOUR FAVORITE!

Congratulations my good man, you win.  Just pick anything with 5 attack or more, like frogs, cocktrice, dragons, nymphs, and a ridiculous amount of other cards.
I would go a little different build.
6x Supernova
6x Precog
6x Fractal
4x Hyperdrive
5x*ANY* dragon
3x Miracle

Sure a devourer has the chance to screw you early but 2 supernovas and you are up and going.


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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61799#msg61799
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2010, 05:27:50 pm »
Sorry, still no icy.

This just stacks too well with rustler.
I was thinking Quantum Towers.

I think it's fine, but none of us can know for certain without playtesting. Think about it - a Golem deck can win in 4 turns. This isn't nearly fast enough. Sure, there are lots of counters to Golem decks, but there are lots of counters to this, too. Just get a Shield out . Or a Sundial. Or increase your max HP. Or use Devourers.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61802#msg61802
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2010, 05:30:31 pm »
Well, with rustler, you gain an INFINITE amount of quanta each turn.  This means no matter how expensive you make the card, you can still chain these with relative ease.  Then just take a couple electrum hour glasses, and maybe fire dragons or something.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61803#msg61803
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 05:32:55 pm »
I don't want see cards that costs 20+, I want cards that are cheap and weak. and It's OP

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61813#msg61813
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2010, 05:55:56 pm »
Well, with rustler, you gain an INFINITE amount of quanta each turn.  This means no matter how expensive you make the card, you can still chain these with relative ease.  Then just take a couple electrum hour glasses, and maybe fire dragons or something.
You are misreading the OP.

Int he notes he clearly says Leaf dragon (rustler) would he ONE free conversion, not infinite.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61817#msg61817
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2010, 06:05:23 pm »
how much damage Siphon life would deal? or fire lance?

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61843#msg61843
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2010, 07:04:52 pm »
how much damage Siphon life would deal? or fire lance?
Three. You have zero :fire after using Overdrive.

Guys, I've thought of a way to balance this:

This card now allows you to use your HP to pay for quanta costs. All your quanta is still consumed, though. Now you would think twice before massively fractal-spamming dragons.

However, if the above is true, then:
Using another Advanced Spell will instantly kill you, because if HP is used to pay quanta costs, Miracle would drain all your HP before healing you.
Using a Bolt will deal its basic damage, because this states that HP is used to PAY for quanta, instead of HP is treated AS quanta. Therefore, Fire Bolt will still think that you have zero :fire after using Overdrive.
Rustler can be spammed. Yes, you can convert all your HP into :life. The only useful thing about doing this is halving the HP cost of Life creatures, since 1 HP = :life :life.

Is this balanced now?
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61846#msg61846
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2010, 07:10:05 pm »
Nice topic.

Are u ready for PVP?

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Re: Overdrive | Hyperdrive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6031.msg61853#msg61853
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2010, 07:17:12 pm »
Card is now updated. I imagine that it would be a LOT less OP now.

With this nerf, this card probably wouldn't need to be as rare as Nymphs now.
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