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Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268296#msg268296
« on: February 10, 2011, 08:59:47 pm »
NAME:
Ouroboros
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
:aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 5
TEXT:
If immortalised generates Immortal instead.
NAME:
Ouroboros
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
5 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 5
TEXT:
If immortalised generates Elite Immortal instead.
ART:
Thalas
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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268315#msg268315
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 09:33:06 pm »
Which effect does this card have?
A) Turn  into 1 Immortal when immortalized
B) Generate 1 Immortal instead of becoming immortal each time it is targeted by Qunit, Anubis or Aether Nymph
C) Once Immortalized generate 1 Immortal per turn
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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268318#msg268318
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 09:34:32 pm »
Which effect does this card have?
A) Turn  into 1 Immortal when immortalized
B) Generate 1 Immortal instead of becoming immortal each time it is targeted by Qunit, Anubis or Aether Nymph
C) Once Immortalized generate 1 Immortal per turn
I'm pretty sure it's B.

If so, that makes it a neat card that gives repeatable quints an actual use.

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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268319#msg268319
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2011, 09:35:45 pm »
If this card turns into an Elite Immortal, it's UP

:aether + 3  :aether (Quint)= 8  :aether
Where as an Elite Immortal is only 7  :aether

If it generates an Immortal each turn, then it's pretty awesome o-o

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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268324#msg268324
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 09:42:54 pm »
Which effect does this card have?
A) Turn  into 1 Immortal when immortalized
B) Generate 1 Immortal instead of becoming immortal each time it is targeted by Qunit, Anubis or Aether Nymph
C) Once Immortalized generate 1 Immortal per turn
It's B
It's hard to balance this card because anubis skill cost is low and quint and nymph is high
Any suggestions?

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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268330#msg268330
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 09:48:18 pm »
My reaction to this card - "This is awesome. 'nuff said".

I think it's balanced. The creature basically allows you to have 6 more immortals in your deck and makes good cannon fodder once you're out of Quintessence.  It also gives Immortal some much-needed support.

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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg268335#msg268335
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 09:52:08 pm »
Option B it is then
Each time Immortality or Quint is used it costs 2,3,4 :aether|1,3,3 :aether (Anubis,Nymph,Quint)
This creates a creature valued at 6 :aether|7 :aether
Therefore this should cost such that after the average number of uses (A) the total quanta cost (Q) is equal between the two methods.

Anubis is probably the source of the immortality so lets use Activation Cost 2 :aether|1 :aether
The casting cost needs to compensate for the lower cost to create the Immortal|Elite Immortal.

Try this V?
Casting Cost: 6|6
Absorb Cost: 2|2
Pseudo Activation Cost: 2|1

Possibly Absorb cost 1?
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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg269153#msg269153
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 03:34:48 am »
I approve of this card as-is.  I had a really long post explaining why it was perfectly balanced, and then my son sat on my keyboard, so this is the short version: it can't become immortal, and it requires ridiculously expensive two-card combos in order to start generating at anything like an efficient rate each turn.  Between those two facts, if you can't get rid of it before it becomes really dangerous, you deserve to get your butt kicked. :)

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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg269190#msg269190
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 04:51:09 am »
I approve of this card as-is.  [...] it can't become immortal, and it requires ridiculously expensive two-card combos in order to start generating at anything like an efficient rate each turn.  Between those two facts, if you can't get rid of it before it becomes really dangerous, you deserve to get your butt kicked. :)

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^^This. Also, it's creative. Although I can't see how this is related to the Ouroboros ??? maybe you could add some description/link to a wiki/both.
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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg269214#msg269214
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 05:29:24 am »
You ask for wiki, I deliver.
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Re: Ouroboros | Ouroboros https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21021.msg269234#msg269234
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2011, 07:14:28 am »
I can't see how this is related to the Ouroboros
I wanted to create mythological creature that eats immortality, but I couldn't find any creature.
And Ouroboros was closest to my original idea.


 

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