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Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1054985#msg1054985
« on: March 28, 2013, 05:37:38 pm »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
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COST:
4 :fire
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
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TEXT:
Ninja of the Red Scroll is immediately played for free if a player takes more than 3 damage from a spell.
NAME:
Ninja of the Red Scroll
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Fire
COST:
3 :fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 1
TEXT:
Ninja of the Red Scroll is immediately played for free if a player takes more than 3 damage from a spell.

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NOTES:
An autocast card designed based on discussion in The Cross-Design Column. This card encourages a player to play aggressively with damage spells and defend against an opponent that uses a lot of them.

"Quantum" Bolts are counted by total damage - if Drain Life/Fire Bolt/Ice Bolt deals more than 3 total damage, Ninja of the Red Scroll's effect will trigger. Only 1 ninja triggers per spell.

Creature/Permanent Cards that Ninja can trigger off of : Psion, Unstable Gas
Cards that Ninja can't trigger off of : Voodoo Doll, Shard of Sacrifice (Life loss =/= Damage)
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« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 10:47:17 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1054987#msg1054987
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 05:41:28 pm »
If you have several of these in hand, is all of the casted or only one per spell? If all, I could see a cool deck based on this + fractal + lightning, you wouldn't even need any fire quanta. Maybe a bit too OP?
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1054993#msg1054993
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 05:52:54 pm »
If you have several of these in hand, is all of the casted or only one per spell? If all, I could see a cool deck based on this + fractal + lightning, you wouldn't even need any fire quanta. Maybe a bit too OP?
One per spell.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 05:56:17 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055028#msg1055028
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 09:35:38 pm »
If I shoot a player with a lightening bolt while they have SoSac in play, will this still trigger the ninja?

Also, psions deal spell damage, so the game should consider this like a player taking damage from a spell. Will this trigger the ninja?
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055030#msg1055030
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 09:44:10 pm »
If I shoot a player with a lightening bolt while they have SoSac in play, will this still trigger the ninja?
No, since that's healing.
Also, psions deal spell damage, so the game should consider this like a player taking damage from a spell. Will this trigger the ninja?
Yes. Unstable Gas also deals spell damage in terms of code, so both cards would trigger the ability.

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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055037#msg1055037
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 10:45:09 pm »
If I shoot a player with a lightening bolt while they have SoSac in play, will this still trigger the ninja?
No, since that's healing.
Also, psions deal spell damage, so the game should consider this like a player taking damage from a spell. Will this trigger the ninja?
Yes. Unstable Gas also deals spell damage in terms of code, so both cards would trigger the ability.
Nice! It will make psion rushes very potent... Aether will be very happy.

Forgot to ask, if I shoot a voodoo doll with a bolt, will that trigger the spell as well? (This could be VERY fun in voodoo-rage decks)
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055055#msg1055055
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 12:05:10 am »
Reflective shield does not reflect damage from a doll, so it should not count as spell damage.

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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055060#msg1055060
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 12:17:21 am »
Reflective shield does not reflect damage from a doll, so it should not count as spell damage.
I suppose it depends on how you interpret the damage from a doll. Currently there is no way to prevent damage from a doll, period.

Thematically, this is because it supposed to emulate the idea that whatever is done to the doll is also magically done to the other player simultaneously.

The idea with the voodoo doll is that the opponent feels whatever is done to the doll as if it were themselves. But the vooodoo doll would lack the ability to react and defend itself as the player would with shields, etc.

So the reason a shield won't reflect the damage is because it never goes through the shield.
The doll has no such shield in front of it, or at least you could shoot where the shield won't stop it since the doll cant react.
BUT, the spell damage that gets done to the doll is also applied to the opponent.

Ergo, the opponent is taking spell damage because the doll is taking spell damage...

But thats how I've always heard it conceptualized. I suppose its up for interpretation.

So for a lightening bolt, I think it could still count as spell damage.

The real question is, would Rage Potion be considered spell damage?

Ultimately, I think this is Zbladder's decision since it is his card.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 12:26:11 am by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1055370#msg1055370
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 10:44:23 pm »
Ingame, Voodoo Doll's ability apparently causes some kind of 'typeless' damage; it's not affected by any shield (reflective or physical) but it does get converted into healing with Shard of Sacrifice. ('typeless' damage =/= life loss because life loss is not converted into SoSac healing.) Neither Voodoo Doll nor Shard of Sacrifice would not trigger Ninja of the Red Scroll's ability.
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1056867#msg1056867
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 03:54:18 am »
I like this card. Might be a problem with fractal though. 6xlightning fractals these guys and aether towers/pends
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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1056871#msg1056871
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 04:07:14 am »
I like this card. Might be a problem with fractal though. 6xlightning fractals these guys and aether towers/pends

Only one autocasts per spell, so you can only get six out like that.

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Re: Ninja of the Red Scroll | Ninja of the Red Scroll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48082.msg1056878#msg1056878
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 05:58:12 am »
i made some autocast cards a little while back, most of them didnt get very far
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