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Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223271#msg223271
« on: December 12, 2010, 11:52:47 pm »
NAME:
Marionette
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
N|1
TEXT:
Marionette's attack matches Puppeteer's attack.
NAME:
Marionette
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
2 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
N|2
TEXT:
Marionette's attack matches Puppeteer's attack.
ART:
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IDEA:
Ajit
NOTES:
- Spells cast onto and Permanents (Eclipse) will not directly affect the attack of Marionette.
- If no Puppeteers are on the field, Marionette's attack = 0
SERIES:

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NAME:
Puppeteer
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1|5
TEXT:
:darkness : Summon
Draw a Marionette.
Only one Puppeteer may be on the field at a time.
NAME:
Puppeteer
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|6
TEXT:
:darkness : Summon
Draw a Marionette.
Only one Puppeteer may be on the field at a time.
ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
- An enemy Puppeteer will still affect your own Marionettes
- Playing a Puppeteer will replace any Puppeteer on either side of the field
- Eclipse will affect Puppeteer, and that attack boost will be received to the Marionettes
- Ability works as long as there is a Marionette in your deck
- The summoned Marionette goes to your hand, not the field

Changes:
- Added ability Summon
SERIES:


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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223314#msg223314
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 12:50:17 am »
So:

Unupped
2 Cards
4+2X :darkness
Result
X 1|1 Other Creatures
1|5 Unique Darkness Creature
Buffs count 1+X times

Upgrade
2 Cards
5+2X :darkness
Result
X 2|2 Other Creatures
2|6 Unique Darkness Creature
Buffs count 1+X times
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223354#msg223354
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 01:27:53 am »
i know this is pointless but can you buff the marionette, i know youll buff the pupeteer but i want to know what will happen

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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223365#msg223365
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 01:35:31 am »
i know this is pointless but can you buff the marionette, i know youll buff the pupeteer but i want to know what will happen
No
" Spells cast onto and Permanents (Eclipse) will not directly affect the attack of Marionette."
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223401#msg223401
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 02:39:04 am »
And if there is no Puppeteer in play?
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223405#msg223405
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 02:44:06 am »
I assume that the default for N|x is that N=0.
So if there are no puppeteers then all the marionettes are 0|1s that are immune to atk buffs.
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223408#msg223408
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 02:46:47 am »
That sucks. Maybe they should have an effect that gives Puppeteers attack bonuses each turn, to offset the minimum of 6 :darkness and 2 cards to achieve 2 net damage.
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223415#msg223415
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 02:51:29 am »
Idk.

Fractal Marionettes with Light mark powered Blessing seems reasonable. (Fractal reasonable? Maybe that is the clue that this is UP?)
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223420#msg223420
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 02:55:16 am »
If the combo can only be achieved through Fractal, it's hardly a combo at all. After all, Fractal is the source of so many cards being called OP.
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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223609#msg223609
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 10:46:53 am »
I like the idea but I think there is anything more that can be done (more thant the attack thing), like share the skills with the puppeteer or just to be targeted by the player who owns the puppeteer.

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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223611#msg223611
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 10:49:34 am »
Thanks for the questions and comments guys.

OldTrees pretty much got it, you can't buff the attack of a Marionette (if given Blessing it would just +0/+3).  Also their default attack without a Puppeteer is 0, and I've added that into the notes.

I was afraid this might have been OP, but the way you guys are making it seem, perhaps not.

But anyways, I was looking at the numbers, running a mono-darkness deck here is what you would get for the upped cards:

4 :darkness for Eclipse
+
5 :darkness for Puppeteer
=
9 :darkness yields 4 att
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+ 2 :darkness per marionette
11 :darkness yields 8 att
13 :darkness yields 12 att
15  :darkness yields 16 att
17 :darkness yields 20 att
19 :darkness yields 24 att
21 darkness yields 28 att
Not efficient enough for the amount of cards necessary to pull it off.

However running a Duo-Death-Life deck:

5 :darkness for Puppeteer
+
2 :light for one Improved Blessing
=
7 quanta yields 5 att
_____
+2 :darkness per marionette
9 quanta yields 10 att
11 quanta yields 15 att
13 quanta yields 20 att
15 quanta yields 25 att
17 quanta yields 30 att
19 quanta yields 35 att

And that's just with 1 blessing.  You throw in two or three, and this becomes very powerful, but requires a duo deck as well several cards to pull off.
Further thoughts?

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Re: Marionette | Marionette https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17521.msg223645#msg223645
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 01:01:17 pm »
But due to the number of cards required to pull this off, you'd be running a duo entirely on this style, with thought given to Steal, Siphon Life, and Dusk Mantle. Now, you'll be able to keep yourself alive using Liquid Shadow, but you've already got an extremely small window with which to use this set of cards.
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