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Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013771#msg1013771
« on: November 07, 2012, 12:17:47 pm »
NAME:
Envenom
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3 :death
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature adds 1 poison damage to each successful attack, but gets poisoned itself.
NAME:
Envenom
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
2 :death
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature adds 1 poison damage to each successful attack, but gets poisoned itself.

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SERIES:
Death and Darkness :death :darkness
« Last Edit: November 12, 2012, 01:32:04 pm by drNovikov »
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013791#msg1013791
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 12:57:56 pm »
Nice card
Maybe upped one could give 2 poison counters
I like it , + rep
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013797#msg1013797
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 01:15:30 pm »
Here are my ideas for the upped card:

1 less  :death + same poison to the enemy.

OR

1 more :death + 1 more poison to the enemy.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013802#msg1013802
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 01:20:26 pm »
Will this remove the prior active skill and give the skill "venom"?

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You should compare it with

I think it's quite UP now.
AT LEAST it should gain "deadly venom" skill, which adds 2 poison counter on each successful attack.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013810#msg1013810
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 01:44:36 pm »
Yes, I think other skills should be removed.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013812#msg1013812
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 01:49:11 pm »
Quote from: choongmyoung on November 07, 2012, 01:20:26 pm
AT LEAST it should gain "deadly venom" skill, which adds 2 poison counter on each successful attack.

I compared those cards, here are my thoughts:

1. Poison is cumulative.
2. Poison lasts even after the creature is killed.
3. You can poison a stronger creature, which will be able to penetrate shields. Deathstalkers have Deadly Venom, but most shields are unpenetrable for them.

I'm afraid 2 poison would be a little OP, so I try to preserve balance here. Let's hear other members.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013818#msg1013818
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 02:00:39 pm »
Quote from: drNovikov on November 07, 2012, 01:49:11 pm
Quote from: choongmyoung on November 07, 2012, 01:20:26 pm
AT LEAST it should gain "deadly venom" skill, which adds 2 poison counter on each successful attack.

I compared those cards, here are my thoughts:

1. Poison is cumulative. Acceleration is also cumulative. 2nd turn's attack boost do not cancel the 1st turn's boost.
2. Poison lasts even after the creature is killed. This is an important point. Poisons are hard to remove.
3. You can poison a stronger creature, which will be able to penetrate shields. Deathstalkers have Deadly Venom, but most shields are unpenetrable for them.
4. And one more, Acceleration|Overdrive gives +2|+3 ATK each turn while venom gives +1|+1 and deadly venom gives +2|+2.

I'm afraid 2 poison would be a little OP, so I try to preserve balance here. Let's hear other members.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013822#msg1013822
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 02:13:41 pm »
Well, I think 2 poison is a good idea. Let's collect some more opinions, and I'll upgrade the card.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013851#msg1013851
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 03:10:05 pm »
It's just death's version of liquid shadow. The cost seems fine to me, but if you make it 2 poison instead of one, give it +1 cost.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013853#msg1013853
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 03:14:31 pm »
Same name, more or less the same ability.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28468
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013857#msg1013857
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 03:21:46 pm »
Quote from: drNovikov on November 07, 2012, 01:44:36 pm
Yes, I think other skillsskill should be removed.
Venom, as a new active skill, would replace the previous active skill if one existed.
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Re: Envenom | Envenom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44573.msg1013860#msg1013860
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 03:25:32 pm »
Quote from: Rutarete on November 07, 2012, 03:10:05 pm
It's just death's version of liquid shadow. The cost seems fine to me, but if you make it 2 poison instead of one, give it +1 cost.

Yes, I was inspired by the Liquid Shadow.
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