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Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg500207#msg500207
« on: May 17, 2012, 11:38:51 pm »
NAME:
Large Oyster
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 4
TEXT:
:water :water : Bite
Target creature takes 1 damage and is afflicted with Bleeding.


NAME:
Spiked Oyster
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Creature
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2 | 6
TEXT:
Bloodthirst: Gains +2 | +0 for every Bleeding creature.
:water  : Clamp
Target creature is Bleeding.
ART:
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This was my submission for Round 4 of Card Design War 2.

Okay, choosing the element this time was easy.  The ability?  Not so much.

Name wise, it was obviously a bivalve shellfish of sorts, although, as Rutarete may recall, I was toying with the idea of making it an aquatic carnivorous plant [Neptune Fly Trap].  Sadly, the contest rulings were not in its favour.  The Spiked on the upgraded card denoted a much more offensive side to it while Large has larger muscles to which it's Bite deals more damage.

Bleeding, as given by the effect, will be notified by a red layer with a very low opacity on the afflicted creature.  Bleeding will inflict one damage whenever the creature acts, be it from attacking or using an ability, since the flow of blood is promoted by movement, thus leading to blood loss.  Damage via bleeding will only take effect for the first attack and every use of an active ability.  Specifics lay below:

- Bleeding will act like Infection in the terms of how it acts on the attacking creature, dealing one damage per attack.  So a creature with Adrenaline will quickly diminish their health with each attack.

- Bleeding will deal one damage every time an active ability is activated.  For the sake of this card, active will be defined as an ability that require expending extra quanta to activate.  So Mind Flayer's Lobotomize would trigger damage from Bleeding.

- Bleeding will not deal damage from "passive" active abilities such as Neurotoxin or Deadly Poison.  Also, the cool down effect of Steam Machine or the healing of Vampire will not trigger Bleeding, although the boost from Steam will trigger Damage.

- In short, damage from Bleeding will take place with each attack and after the ability has been finalized.  So using an ability and then canceling it will not trigger damage.
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg500215#msg500215
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 11:47:04 pm »
I still like this one :)
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg500216#msg500216
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 11:48:27 pm »
I still like this one :)
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501200#msg501200
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2012, 02:53:25 am »
This is a really cool idea, but I don't think the ability cost should be water. Maybe  :darkness?
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501225#msg501225
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2012, 03:53:21 am »
Totally reminded me of this:
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501250#msg501250
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2012, 05:03:25 am »
So if you SoR your creature, it isn't affected? Or not...?

And how is this anything but a much, much stronger parasite (except against 0 att creatures and dial/SoP)

How does it work with infection? If it is infected and bleeding, how is it shown on top of the bleeding icon? Is there any thematic amplification if both occur? If so, it would be OP with toadfish.
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501254#msg501254
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2012, 05:09:58 am »
This is a really cool idea, but I don't think the ability cost should be water. Maybe  :darkness?

I'd like to keep this Mono.  Also, being the big Pokemon battler that I am, it should be noted that Clamp is a Water attack.  So that is kind of imprinted in my mind and justifies :water cost.

Totally reminded me of this:


So was I after I submitted this for CDW.  I'm surprised I didn't think of it beforehand.

So if you SoR your creature, it isn't affected? Or not...?

And how is this anything but a much, much stronger parasite (except against 0 att creatures and dial/SoP)

How does it work with infection? If it is infected and bleeding, how is it shown on top of the bleeding icon? Is there any thematic amplification if both occur? If so, it would be OP with toadfish.

It still triggers with SoR since it just makes the ability cost 0.

It is to Parasite as Warden is to Arctic Squid.  So yes, in most ways, it is better, but different nonetheless.

Infection would still be shown by the Poison Token.

Overall, I was thinking about making Bleeding stoppable.  Like a save roll every time it takes damage from Bleeding as to set it apart from everything.

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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501721#msg501721
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2012, 04:56:17 am »
Perhaps buff Guardian Angle's heal by allowing it to stop bleeding?
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg501959#msg501959
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 07:36:22 pm »
What is the thematic connection to :water Water?
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg502066#msg502066
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 11:43:10 pm »
What is the thematic connection to :water Water?

The creature bit is obvious, so I suppose you mean the ability cost.

I'll be frank.  It doesn't have that much of a tie with :water as I'd like.  However, it seems to me to not belong anywhere else.  So, in my interests of keeping it a Mono and not as abused in :rainbow , I kept it :water .

But to answer your question, currently, I cannot come up with a legitimate thematic reason as to why Clamp is a :water cost.

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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg502068#msg502068
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 11:45:40 pm »
For the sake of this card, active will be defined as an ability that require expending extra quanta to activate.

SoR just sets it to 0, which does not require extra quanta to active.
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Re: Large Oyster | Spiked Oyster https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40355.msg502069#msg502069
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 11:48:22 pm »
For the sake of this card, active will be defined as an ability that require expending extra quanta to activate.

SoR just sets it to 0, which does not require extra quanta to active.

Fine, I note my error.  But abilities used after SoR still triggers Bleeding.

 

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