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Title: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Blacksmith on April 21, 2014, 09:06:35 pm
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NAME:
Knight of equilibrium
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
3 fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 l 6
TEXT:
Intemperate:  When this creature deals damage it deals the same amount of damage to yourself.
NAME:
Knight of equilibrium
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
2 fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 6
TEXT:
Intemperate:  When this creature deals damage it deals the same amount of damage to yourself.
ART:
Krava  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/card-art/krava's-gallery-(-pic-heavy-its-a-gallery!)/
IDEA:
Blacksmith
NOTES:
The third card in my series.

At first I thought it might be op but then I thought that it was like giving your opponent a creature dealing 6 damage as well. I don't think it would be op with fractal just very aggressive, or what do you say? Could do well in rushes, healing decks and sosac decks.
SERIES:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/card-ideas-and-art/vigor-l-vigor/new/#new
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: dragtom on April 21, 2014, 09:20:19 pm
SoSac. nothing else comes to mind.

It does speed up the game, similar to SoBr,
but SoBr gives you an advantage during your turn
- you can use the cards before the opponent.

Maybe this should deal half the damage it dealt to the opponent to you?
That way it's more potent for rushing, and less potent for SoSac.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: iDaire on April 21, 2014, 11:22:02 pm
Honestly. I would never play this. Doesn't mean that it isn't good. I just don't like the idea of sacrificial mayhem. But, I could antimatter this. Longshot but it might work!
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Joseph7 on April 22, 2014, 12:05:12 am
Does your shield take effect on the damage that this creature deals to you? If so, I can see an aether/fire deck with this card, fractals, and phase shields.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: skyironsword on April 22, 2014, 01:14:15 am
It also has fairly high health for a fire creature.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Vangelios on April 22, 2014, 01:19:02 am
I think it's the same thing that

3 :fire status 6 | 0 dies in the end of turn.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Blacksmith on April 22, 2014, 01:02:15 pm
Quote from: Joseph7 on April 22, 2014, 12:05:12 am
Does your shield take effect on the damage that this creature deals to you? If so, I can see an aether/fire deck with this card, fractals, and phase shields.
I don't think shields will reduce damage since it's the damage dealt that is returned to you as extra damage.
Quote from: skyironsword on April 22, 2014, 01:14:15 am
It also has fairly high health for a fire creature.
Yup that is 1 of those things fire creature lack so I think this could make fire more balanced. It also makes it a target for un upped potion.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: skyironsword on April 22, 2014, 08:18:41 pm
But there's a reason fire creatures lack high health. I dislike it.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Blacksmith on April 22, 2014, 08:55:10 pm
Quote from: skyironsword on April 22, 2014, 08:18:41 pm
But there's a reason fire creatures lack high health. I dislike it.
What is the reason for that? And how should the card be changed to fit in the fire element?   ::)
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: OdinVanguard on April 24, 2014, 11:45:14 pm
If i put quint and SOW on this and equip a mirror shield, will it deal double damage to the opponent?
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 25, 2014, 12:34:05 am
LS would be pretty fun
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: OdinVanguard on April 25, 2014, 08:14:58 am
This could also be interesting with fractal + SoSac. Tricky to pull off but quite deadly if done right.
With 4 of these out, you basically make back the SoSac cost and deal that much damage to opponent in the process.

You wouldn't have to worry about waiting till the opponent had a bunch of powerful creatures before using the shard, so it could be a very interesting combo to try.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Blacksmith on April 25, 2014, 08:26:40 am
Quote from: OdinVanguard on April 24, 2014, 11:45:14 pm
If i put quint and SOW on this and equip a mirror shield, will it deal double damage to the opponent?
I suppose so. But if you put antimatter both get healed.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Annele on April 25, 2014, 08:27:39 am
The mechanic is very interesting, and it fits well in fire. However the theme, imo, does not. Fire is not about balance, it's about power and passion and glass cannons and inbalance. The theme fits the mechanic though, so you could just move it to water (or potentially light, or earth, or gravity, which are all about stability) which, as the opposite of fire, is about balance, and keep both theme and mechanic. However, if kept in fire, I would suggest that you change the name to something like "Knight of Passion/Power" or "Berserker" which, thematically, fits better in Fire. But, as I said, the mechanic does really well in fire and it's interesting - especially with all the combos it would produce to get around the double-edged sword of this nature, so great work :)
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: AD TienzuStorm on August 02, 2015, 02:41:42 pm
CURATOR COMMENT

This card will not be permitted to the Crucible due to one ore more of the following errors:



Correct these errors as soon as possible and feel free to submit it again when ready.

Thank you.


- ADSB

(And again, card titles are typically all capitalized words)
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Blacksmith on August 02, 2015, 03:37:03 pm
Quote from: AD Storm Bolt on August 02, 2015, 02:41:42 pm
CURATOR COMMENT

This card will not be permitted to the Crucible due to one ore more of the following errors:

  • Card cost doesn't match with the value listed in the table (just 3 implies any quanta can be used, like AW or Luciferace)


Correct these errors as soon as possible and feel free to submit it again when ready.

Thank you.


- ADSB

(And again, card titles are typically all capitalized words)
And fixed.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on August 02, 2015, 05:14:32 pm
To buff or not to buff. To compensate with the drawback, you should also play healing, poison, or vampire mechanic. Though maybe the drawback can be negated with Liquid Shadow. Being said, I think this card is bad in a mono :fire deck.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: iDaire on August 04, 2015, 04:41:57 pm
Why would I use this?

I'd need healing to use this card at all. Sure, there is a low quanta cost for this card and there are high stats, but this creature deals damage to me every time it attacks, and in an element such as fire where there is no healing, that really is a hindrance to my well being. I'd need to run 6x Sanctuaries just to use 4x EquiKnights. So, why would I use this card? At all?

Edit: Especially that upgraded version. I have Minor Phoenix and Micro Abomination as substitutes that I could use instead of this card.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: dracomageat on August 04, 2015, 06:35:05 pm
Maybe you would not use this card but I most certainly would. Yes, you can combo it with healing and maybe with shields but consider also the fact that a fire rush plans to win as quickly as possible. In the vast majority of situations, it doesn't care what its own health is. A 6|6 for 3|2 is highly efficient and opens the deck up to running rage potion for even greater efficiency. A few phoenixes or dragons ontop or even just firebolts should be enough to make sure your opponent dies first.

There is, however, one problem with this card and that is that it enables draws, something EtG has never had before and may or may not know how to cope with.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: Fippe94 on August 04, 2015, 06:41:43 pm
EtG can have "draws" with UG+Reflective+Voodoo or similar. I am not sure exactly what happens, but it's nothing new. It will basically depend on how the ability is coded, but one of the player has to die first (and judgind by card text, it should be opponent, since it implies the self-damage is right after the actual attack).
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: OldTrees on August 04, 2015, 08:04:54 pm
Let us consider the Rush usage of this card for a moment.

Theoretically I can out damage my opponent in the early game at the cost of being out damaged in the mid game. This is the whole concept of a rusk strategy. During this portion where I am out damaging my opponent, I don't care about damage I sustain so long as my opponent is damaged more on average. So my rush tools include short term out damaging effects and ways to move the goal closer at the cost of my own hp. To put this in more concrete terms:

Ball Lightning + Cremation + Knight(2 :fire) + Lava Destroyer(5 :fire + Earth Mark)
That is 4 cards(and my mark) to deal 85 damage in the first 5 turns while I suffer 30 damage from myself and whatever my opponent can muster in the first 5 turns. If I can deal 15 damage in 7 cards faster than my opponent can deal 70 damage in 11 cards then I win.

In the oversimplified unrealistic case where I got 2 Knights and 2 Lava Destroyers(plus :earth) on the first turn and nothing else all game:
I would deal 80 damage in 3 turns and 108 damage in 4 turns all while suffering 36-48 damage + whatever my opponent can muster in the first 3-4 turns. While this second example is unrealistic(Drawing 4 pairs) it does highlight just how fast the strategy will rip thorough both life totals.

So the "low cost, high attack, also damages controller" card is a very good fit for Fire and for rush decks provided the balance(see 15 in 7 vs 70 in 11 example above) is appropriately tweaked.

However I think the comparison to Minor Phoenix 4 :fire|2 :fire is enough to show that this card is currently underpowered.
Title: Re: Knight of equilibrium l Knight of equilibrium
Post by: foxrain4 on August 08, 2015, 01:11:40 am
Quote from: skyironsword on April 22, 2014, 01:14:15 am
It also has fairly high health for a fire creature.
yeah, weird to see such a high health fire creature.

i do like the rush style of Knight of equilibrium
even if it means sacrificing yourself.
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