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Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008268#msg1008268
« on: October 16, 2012, 03:56:09 am »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
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COST:
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TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All instances of "bigger" become "smaller" and vice versa.
Lasts 2 turns.
NAME:
Inversion
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
3 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All instances of "bigger" become "smaller" and vice versa.
Lasts 2 turns.

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NOTES:
Also includes all synonyms ("<" becomes ">", "greater" becomes "lesser", etc)
Basically flips several cards.
Bigger creatures will get through grav shield, smaller ones won't
Scarab/Oty will eat big creatures instead of small ones
SoFo will die as soon as it enters the field
Maxwell's demon will kill creatures with HP > ATK

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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008269#msg1008269
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 04:02:12 am »
For now, I'll say "this is really interesting, but slightly situational?"
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008270#msg1008270
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 04:11:22 am »
For now, I'll say "this is really interesting, but slightly situational?"

slightly yes, but most of those situations are in entropy (demon, butterfly effect) and gravity (oty, shield) so that you can build your deck to use it even if it doesn't come up for your opponents cards (though with SoFo proliferation how likely is that?)  the turn count was something i just added off the top of my head to curtail abuse, might need a different form of balancing than that.
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008285#msg1008285
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 05:29:46 am »
Very interesting.
So, we need the list.

SoFo - No, it should removed when it activates the skill then the result is HP<50.
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(Skull Shield: Bigger creatures get more chance to die?)
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008286#msg1008286
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2012, 05:31:55 am »
Perhaps make it something like SoP? You can cancel it any time? If you want to prevent abuse, you could make it have a small upkeep.

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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008302#msg1008302
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2012, 06:26:10 am »
Very interesting.
So, we need the list.

SoFo - No, it should removed when it activates the skill then the result is HP<50.
i suppose, but im still sad that it doesnt die if its HP is increased by basalisk blood or something and is only checked on activation
Maxwell's Demon
Butterfly Effect
(Skull Shield: Bigger creatures get more chance to die?)
the card makes no direct mention of bigger or smaller so it's unaffected (ditto for ice shield)
Gravity Shield
Otyugh / Scarab
Capapult - Wait wut?
dang, didn't realize that card had that on there. wish it said "big" instead of "bigger" so i could handwave it...
Adrenaline - Seriously?
hmmm perhaps a new formula that still gives them more attacks but lowish damage?  im fine with the offensive use of it against an opponents adrenaline deck, not sure of how to balance it for use on self (part of why the turn count is necessary)

also, just realized this would technically affect nova/supernova in a funny way...


Perhaps make it something like SoP? You can cancel it any time? If you want to prevent abuse, you could make it have a small upkeep.
entropy already has what is essentially an upkeep card with diss shield. cancel at any time might be too much control... with no duration, a single scarab could wipe a field.  maybe a 3-4 turn duration so you could build your deck around keeping it up like dim shield?
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008313#msg1008313
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2012, 06:44:59 am »
also, just realized this would technically affect nova/supernova in a funny way...
Trolololololololololwut?! Every turn Singularity! Yep.

Perhaps make it something like SoP? You can cancel it any time? If you want to prevent abuse, you could make it have a small upkeep.
entropy already has what is essentially an upkeep card with diss shield. cancel at any time might be too much control... with no duration, a single scarab could wipe a field.  maybe a 3-4 turn duration so you could build your deck around keeping it up like dim shield?
2 turn is enough imo.

It will synergy very well with Paradox and BE.
May anti-synergy with Gravity Shield.
Oty/Scarab = The Best. though, scarab makes trio (Oh well, SoR :P)
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008315#msg1008315
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2012, 06:47:27 am »
At first I thought this was like a SoSac for buffs, but this is... interesting.

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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008324#msg1008324
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2012, 07:07:43 am »
 Personally feel the combo with oty is stupid OP, true it would eventually eat itself to a point it probably couldn't grow, but on a new Oty it means you're allowed to instakill a large number of creatures.
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008326#msg1008326
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2012, 07:12:04 am »
Personally feel the combo with oty is stupid OP, true it would eventually eat itself to a point it probably couldn't grow, but on a new Oty it means you're allowed to instakill a large number of creatures.
But actually, Oty+Heavy Armor can instakill almost all of the creature. Both are two card combo, and Inversion cost more.
And if you use unupped Oty, it only can devour 4 or more HP creatures. Upped, 6 or more.
Surely Inversion can affect others, so probably it's not that OP.
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Re: Inversion | Inversion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44116.msg1008402#msg1008402
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 03:17:08 pm »
Capapult - Wait wut?
Adrenaline - Seriously?

Thought about it some more, and it's actually doubled up, so Adrenaline will say high attack creatures gain less attacks and Catapult will say smaller creatures inflict less damage, and both will essentially do the same thing.

Personally feel the combo with oty is stupid OP, true it would eventually eat itself to a point it probably couldn't grow, but on a new Oty it means you're allowed to instakill a large number of creatures.
hence the duration, sure you could probably use it, get one oty to grow, and then not play any more, so you have one bit oty but thats little better than heavy armor and only leaves you with one vulnerable card.  you need either a constant stream of Inversions or a constant stream of Oty which is a hard enough combo that the result isn't OP.
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