Interspatial Contemplation | Interspatial Deduction

[Scaredgirl]

I think this card would be too powerful. I could build some awesome Time decks using this.

Turtle Shield and upped Sundial (no cost to play) would stall while you gather ridiculous amounts of quanta. It would be especially powerful early in the game when you don't really have to spend quanta on anything.

I would probably take mark from Aether with a couple of Thunderbolts to add to stalling. Then just a bunch of Time Dragons, Anubis, etc. .. and finally.. Fractal.

GG.

remember you can't cast any cards or you break the deduction.

Build me a deck with rules of play and I'll test it.

Your description doesn't say anything about playing cards. It only talks about using quanta. Upped Sundial costs nothing to play.

And I pretty much explained my deck idea in that previous post.

[thekillergame]

I think this card would be too powerful. I could build some awesome Time decks using this.

Turtle Shield and upped Sundial (no cost to play) would stall while you gather ridiculous amounts of quanta. It would be especially powerful early in the game when you don't really have to spend quanta on anything.

I would probably take mark from Aether with a couple of Thunderbolts to add to stalling. Then just a bunch of Time Dragons, Anubis, etc. .. and finally.. Fractal.

GG.

remember you can't cast any cards or you break the deduction.

Build me a deck with rules of play and I'll test it.

Your description doesn't say anything about playing cards. It only talks about using quanta. Upped Sundial costs nothing to play.

And I pretty much explained my deck idea in that previous post.

i agree

[Kael Hate]

remember you can't cast any cards or you break the deduction.

Build me a deck with rules of play and I'll test it.

Your description doesn't say anything about playing cards. It only talks about using quanta. Upped Sundial costs nothing to play.

And I pretty much explained my deck idea in that previous post.

Cards without cost do not break deduction so sundial is fine if upped.

I wont run a public test without a full deck design because the balance and actions of a deck need to be weighed in full and I don't want to do that based just on a description. If someone else makes the deck for you I'll run it.

[Kael Hate]

i'll try it.

something like this:
mark=time author=thekillergame]7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dn 7dn 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk
golden nymph=deduction.

Too slow, game log

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Game Test

Player A
Fire Lance
Time
7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dn 7dn 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk

Player B
Grinder
Earth
4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5c1 5c1 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 71a 77g 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq

Game 1
First to Act Player  B

_TURN _PLAYER _ACTION _EFFECT _TARGET
1 B Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Draw Cremation (E)
Draw Lycanthrope
Draw Nova
Draw Photon
Draw Cremation (E)
Draw Nova
Play Photon
Play Nova
Play Nova
Play Cremation (E) Photon
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C1
Play Lycanthrope C2
End 100|92
2 A Draw Fire Lance (E)
Draw Time Tower (E)
Draw Time Tower (E)
Draw Burning Tower (E)
Draw Deduction (E)
Draw Fire Lance (E)
Draw Fire Lance (E)
Draw Burning Tower (E)
Play Time Tower (E)
Play Time Tower (E)
Play Burning Tower (E)
Play Burning Tower (E)
End 92|100
3 B Draw Elite Graboid (E)
Play Elite Graboid (E) C3
Activate Growth C1
Activate Lycanthopy C2
End 100|75
4 A Draw Burning Tower (E)
Play Burning Tower (E)
Play Deduction (E)
End 75|100
5 B Draw Nova
Play Nova
Activate Growth C1
Activate Evolve C3
End 100|48
6 A Draw Burning Tower (E)
Draw Fahrenheit (E)
Play Burning Tower (E)
End 48|100
7 B Draw Cremation (E)
Activate Growth C1
End 100|19
8 A Draw Fahrenheit (E)
Draw Burning Tower (E)
Play Burning Tower (E)
Note Fire Lance Potential 27dam
End 19|100
9 B Draw Cremation (E)
Activate Growth C1
End 100|0
Note Fire Lance Potential 36dam


[Kael Hate]

yep or something like this:
mark=MARK author=thekillergame]6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u0 6u0 6u0 6u0 74b 77f 77f 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 7ah 7dq 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80h 80h 80h
you hide behind phase shield to let yourr creatures grow. when they are big enough you play deduction and dissipation field.

Nothing special Again

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Game Test

Player A
Deduction
Time
6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u0 6u0 6u0 6u0 74b 77f 77f 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 77i 7ah 7dq 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7qk 7qk 7qk 7qk 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80h 80h 80h

Player B
Grinder
Earth
4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5c1 5c1 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 71a 77g 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq

Game 1
First to Act Player A

_TURN _PLAYER _ACTION _EFFECT _TARGET
1 A Draw Phase Shield (E)
Draw Pulverizer (E)
Draw Quantum Tower (E)
Draw Phase Shield (E)
Draw Protect Artifact (E)
Draw Electrum Hourglass (E)
Draw Quantum Tower (E)
Play Quantum Tower (E) BGD
Play Quantum Tower (E) WBV
End 100|100 BDLBTD
2 B Draw Nova
Draw Lycanthrope
Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Draw Nova
Draw Cremation (E)
Draw Cremation (E)
Draw Nova
Draw Photon
Play Photon
Play Cremation (E) Photon
Play Nova
Play Nova
Play Nova
Play Lycanthrope C1
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C2
End 100|92
3 A Draw Quantum Tower (E)
Play Quantum Tower (E) RTA
End 92|100 RAARCECTL
4 B Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C3
Activate Lycanthropy C1
Activate Growth C2
End 100|70
5 A Draw Quantum Tower (E)
Play Quantum Tower (E) LEF
Play Electrum Hourglass (E)
End 70|100 REFCDBFARAEW
6 B Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Activate Growth C2
Activate Growth C3
End 100|44
7 A Draw Protect Artifact (E)
Play Pulverizer (E)
Activate Hasten
Draw Quintessence (E)
End 44|95 TWAVGTBVBALR
8 B Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Activate Growth C2
Activate Growth C3
End 95|14
9 A Draw Quantum Tower (E)
Play Quantum Tower (E) GEB
Activate Hasten
Draw Phase Shield (E)
End 14|90 WTBWRGBDRGBLDFC
10 B Draw Nova
Play Nova
Activate Growth C2
Activate Growth C3
End 90|0

Aether V
Air A
Darkness B
Death D
Earth E
Entropy C
Fire F
Gravity G
Life L
Light R
Time T
Water W


[casthegamer]

i seriously love this card. it's quite powerful, but you have to sit back and take a beating to use it so i don't really think it's OP. i think people thinking up ways where you can actually stall long enough to use it are just showing ways of using it effectively, and not showing how OP it is. i do have one small criticism. i think that the upped version might need a slight cost increase. if it were to be added to the game, the added effect of a card per turn would almost certainly be the biggest jump in power from unupped to upped in the game.

[ManOfManySpoons]

There's also the matter of at drawing 2 cards a turn, even if your hand is completely empty when you get this card that's only 4 turns of extra quantum until you have to start discarding (unless you've got no cost cards, that is). 

[Kael Hate]

There's also the matter of at drawing 2 cards a turn, even if your hand is completely empty when you get this card that's only 4 turns of extra quantum until you have to start discarding (unless you've got no cost cards, that is).

You think drawing cards is a bad thing?

[ManOfManySpoons]

I think that unless you're playing a deck with a bunch of no-cost cards, the unupgraded version might be better.  If the point is to stockpile a ton of quantum, then having less turns before you have to decide whether you want to discard a card or let this be destroyed is a better thing.  I suppose if you were trying to do fractal Devonian Dragons it wouldn't matter because you could just throw one away. 

[markilleruk]

I really like the card, but perhaps because you are "wasting time" to use it perhaps time quantum production should stop while it is in play?

That way it would be nurfed for time decks, and more useful for duos

[tyranim]

try this deck and see how it goes,

5 time towers
5 deductions
5 syphons
5 devourers
7 darkness towers
3 dusk shields
mark doesnt really matter as long as it is darkness or time.

rules are: dont play syphons until you have at least 70 darkness quanta
dont play deduction if there is already one on your field
play devourers in priority to deductions
play towers immediatly
dusk shield is a priority to everything other than towers

i decided to keep it simple since cpus are stupid.

[Kael Hate]

try this deck and see how it goes,

5 time towers
5 deductions
5 syphons
5 devourers
7 darkness towers
3 dusk shields
mark doesnt really matter as long as it is darkness or time.

rules are: dont play syphons until you have at least 70 darkness quanta
dont play deduction if there is already one on your field
play devourers in priority to deductions
play towers immediatly
dusk shield is a priority to everything other than towers

i decided to keep it simple since cpus are stupid.

Too Slow, you lose.

I think the problem is people think this is an opening accelerator when its not.

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Game Test

Player A
Deduction
Time
7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t8 7t8 7t8 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tc

Player B
Grinder
Earth
4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5c1 5c1 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 71a 77g 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq

Game 1
First to Act Player A

_TURN _PLAYER _ACTION _EFFECT _TARGET
1 A Draw Electrum Hourglass (E)
Draw Improved Dusk (E)
Draw Improved Dusk (E)
Draw Pest (E)
Draw Time Tower (E)
Draw Pest (E)
Draw Siphon Life (E)
Play Time Tower (E)
End 100|100
2 B Draw Photon
Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Draw Photon
Draw Photon
Draw Forest Spirit
Draw Photon
Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Draw Nova
Play Photon C1
Play Photon C2
Play Photon C3
Play Photon C4
Play Nova
End 100|96
3 A Draw Improved Dusk (E)
End 96|100
4 B Draw Lycanthrope
End 100|92
5 A Draw Pest (E)
Play Electrum Hourglass (E)
End 92|100
6 B Draw Nova
Play Nova
Play Forest Spirit C5
Play Lycanthrope C6
End 100|86
7 A Draw Obsidian Tower (E)
Draw Negated due to hand full
Play Obsidian Tower (E)
End 86|100
8 B Draw Lava Destroyer (E)
Activate Growth C5
Activate Lycanthropy C6
End 100|73
9 A Draw Obsidian Tower (E)
Draw Negated due to hand full
Play Obsidian Tower (E)
Play Improved Dusk (E)
Trigger Deduction Terminates
End 73|100
10 B Draw Cremation (E)
Play Cremation (E) C1
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C1
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C7
Activate Growth C5
Trigger Dusk C1 0.388706523
Trigger Dusk C2 0.364959413
Trigger Dusk C3 0.354180075
Trigger Dusk C4-Blocked 0.913660645
Trigger Dusk C5-Blocked 0.580179673
Trigger Dusk C6-Blocked 0.862356843
Trigger Dusk C7 0.066044685
End 100|57
11 A Draw Time Tower (E)
Play Time Tower (E)
Play Pest (E) C1
Trigger Pest (E) G
12 B Draw Cremation (E)
Play Cremation (E) C2
Play Lava Destroyer (E) C2
Activate Growth C1
Activate Growth C5
Activate Growth C7
Trigger Dusk C1-Blocked 0.832270052
Trigger Dusk C2 0.023574499
Trigger Dusk C3-Blocked 0.514336642
Trigger Dusk C4 0.031137005
Trigger Dusk C5-Blocked 0.698327277
Trigger Dusk C6-Blocked 0.630798041
Trigger Dusk C7-Blocked 0.820056475
End 100|49
13 A Draw Time Tower (E)
Play Time Tower (E)
Play Pest (E) C2
Trigger Pest (E) G
Trigger Pest (E) F
End 49|100
14 B Draw Photon
Play Photon C8
Activate Growth C1
Activate Growth C2
Activate Growth C5
Activate Growth C7
Trigger Dusk C1 0.278341742
Trigger Dusk C2-Blocked 0.775736533
Trigger Dusk C3-Blocked 0.590522432
Trigger Dusk C4 0.111676357
Trigger Dusk C5 0.107862554
Trigger Dusk C6 0.104458476
Trigger Dusk C7 0.255394342
Trigger Dusk C8-Blocked 0.710166176
End 100|11
15 A Draw Electrum Hourglass (E)
Play Pest (E) C3
Play Electrum Hourglass (E)
Trigger Pest (E) A
Trigger Pest (E) L
Trigger Pest (E) D
End 11|100
Note Siphon Life (E) Potential 4 dam
16 B Draw Lycanthrope
Play Lycanthrope C9
Activate Growth C1
Activate Growth C2
Activate Growth C7
Trigger Dusk C1-Blocked 0.803587167
Trigger Dusk C2 0.1443182
Trigger Dusk C3 0.300910199
Trigger Dusk C4 0.296807757
Trigger Dusk C5 0.490369204
Trigger Dusk C6-Blocked 0.61589924
Trigger Dusk C7-Blocked 0.632298573
Trigger Dusk C8-Blocked 0.70033254
Trigger Dusk C9 0.095039206
End 100|0

Other X
Aether V
Air A
Darkness B
Death D
Earth E
Entropy C
Fire F
Gravity G
Life L
Light R
Time T
Water W