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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529146#msg529146
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2012, 05:06:08 am »
One idea; why not split the ideas into 2 cards? Have one card that focuses on giving your opponent a shield, another that focuses on this shield' effect. I might make it easier to balance.

Just a thought.

Actually it might make it more difficult to balance since they're both pretty UP effects. The versatility is a balancing factor to keep it from being UP.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529262#msg529262
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2012, 12:46:12 pm »
...Sooo let me get this straight: This card lets you absorb attacks and get quanta of your mark element, like Solar Shield right? Hrm...I sense another possiblity: Instant-full charged Farenhights, which might very well bring back Graviton Firemasters as a side-effect/rush aid. Not to mention possible  :gravity trios based around using the shield to bolster the mark quanta amount...
There's ALOT this shield allows, if my interpretation is correct.
But how does the Damage Resistance work?
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529268#msg529268
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2012, 01:28:28 pm »
...Sooo let me get this straight: This card lets you absorb attacks and get quanta of your mark element, like Solar Shield right? Hrm...I sense another possiblity: Instant-full charged Farenhights, which might very well bring back Graviton Firemasters as a side-effect/rush aid. Not to mention possible  :gravity trios based around using the shield to bolster the mark quanta amount...
There's ALOT this shield allows, if my interpretation is correct.
But how does the Damage Resistance work?

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The shield's defensive effect is sort of like the opposite of Discord - the first creature's attack will be negated, and them X of the owner's random quanta will be converted into X quantum, where X = The creature's attack.

So you need plenty of quanta in the other elements and a really strong creature on the first position of the opposite side to actually get any quanta. If the first creature on the opposite side is a photon, then you're paying 2 :gravity for a fire pillar and -1 damage reduction on one creature..

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529329#msg529329
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2012, 06:22:51 pm »
So you need plenty of quanta in the other elements and a really strong creature on the first position of the opposite side to actually get any quanta. If the first creature on the opposite side is a photon, then you're paying 2 :gravity for a fire pillar and -1 damage reduction on one creature..
:o Now I get it! one heck of a wonky shield, only blocking the first attack...
So different synergy though, instead of  :fire :gravity, it's  :water :gravity. Water to use Flooding, and negate anything beyond 5 creatures, Gravity to play the shield and stop the first, not to mention enemy shield control...WIth a bit of reusable CC, you'd be very able to shut down melee creature-based offenses...Question: IF you don't have any non-mark Quanta to convert to Mark Quanta, and you get hit, would the shield break, like dissapation shield does?
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529337#msg529337
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2012, 06:45:24 pm »
So you need plenty of quanta in the other elements and a really strong creature on the first position of the opposite side to actually get any quanta. If the first creature on the opposite side is a photon, then you're paying 2 :gravity for a fire pillar and -1 damage reduction on one creature..
:o Now I get it! one heck of a wonky shield, only blocking the first attack...
So different synergy though, instead of  :fire :gravity, it's  :water :gravity. Water to use Flooding, and negate anything beyond 5 creatures, Gravity to play the shield and stop the first, not to mention enemy shield control...WIth a bit of reusable CC, you'd be very able to shut down melee creature-based offenses...Question: IF you don't have any non-mark Quanta to convert to Mark Quanta, and you get hit, would the shield break, like dissapation shield does?
No. The shield simply negates the first incoming attack without doing anything.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529401#msg529401
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2012, 10:15:53 pm »
Dropping the quanta idea then?
Either way, shield control is a bit ironic of a thing for  :gravity to have, all things considered, but I guess it could make for a decent enough addition to  :gravity's support game...
Now, getting out of metagame-examination, myself and other  :gravity fans will probably appreciate a new shield, even though this could very well prove to be as limited defensively as the old Gravity shield...
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529404#msg529404
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2012, 10:22:48 pm »
Dropping the quanta idea then? No-
If a 10 ATK Dragon attacks a Compact-Guard wielding player ( :gravity Mark) with 10 :air , 10 :gravity , the Dragon's attack is negated and 10 :air is converted into 10 :gravity .
If a 10 ATK Dragon attacks a Compact-Guard wielding player ( :gravity Mark) with 0 :air , 10 :gravity , the Dragon's attack is negated and 0 :air is converted into 0 :gravity .

Either way, shield control is a bit ironic of a thing for  :gravity to have [Momentum, SoFo, and Pulverizer are methods of Shield Control all linked to Gravity.] , all things considered, but I guess it could make for a decent enough addition to  :gravity's support game...
Now, getting out of metagame-examination, myself and other  :gravity fans will probably appreciate a new shield, even though this could very well prove to be as limited defensively as the old Gravity shield...

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529670#msg529670
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 11:40:00 am »
Looking back over my previous posts, I now finally get it, and feel somewhat like an idiot.
Hang on a second, what happens if the first slot creature has adreniline going? Does only it's first attack get negated?
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529786#msg529786
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 05:43:22 pm »
Looking back over my previous posts, I now finally get it, and feel somewhat like an idiot.
Hang on a second, what happens if the first slot creature has adreniline going? Does only it's first attack get negated?
Adrenaline will only negate the first attack - additional attacks from the same creature will go through.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg530695#msg530695
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2012, 05:57:42 pm »
After looking over this thing a few times, I'm beginning to think that the issue of mark-only decks isn't as big as it initially appears, as you have to put a Dragon or something similar on your first slot of the field to get full lockdown potential (which is harder for Gravity, given that it's vanilla creatures are all Cost/attack inefficient and it's useful ones either lack attack or have momentum to ignore this shield entirely.). As a result, the potential imbalance doesn't seem as significant.

I'm considering this Crucible-ready, but I've put it at the bottom of my queue in case people have further comments.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg530766#msg530766
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2012, 09:00:50 pm »
After looking over this thing a few times, I'm beginning to think that the issue of mark-only decks isn't as big as it initially appears, as you have to put a Dragon or something similar on your first slot of the field to get full lockdown potential (which is harder for Gravity, given that it's vanilla creatures are all Cost/attack inefficient and it's useful ones either lack attack or have momentum to ignore this shield entirely.). As a result, the potential imbalance doesn't seem as significant.

I'm considering this Crucible-ready, but I've put it at the bottom of my queue in case people have further comments.
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