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Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111574#msg111574
« on: July 10, 2010, 07:34:04 am »

Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive
NAME: Green Glade Bee Hive
ELEMENT: Earth
COST: 6 :earth
TYPE: Permanent
ATK|HP:
ABILITY: :life :life  : Green Glade Bee
Generate a Green Glade Bee 
NAME: Green Glade Hornet Hive
ELEMENT: Earth
COST: 5 :earth
TYPE: Permanent
ATK|HP:
ABILITY: :life :life : Green Glade Hornet
Generate a Green Glade Hornet
ART: Art by http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1036450  Art By Dramore
IDEA: Dramore
NOTES: Not much to say here. It's simple and it's cheap but it make a strange combo.

The idea for this card and the card it makes came from a couple of books by Maria V. Snyder called "Storm Glass" and "Sea Glass". If you haven't read them you should if you like fantasy writing they are good and offer a differnt kind of magic then most fantasy books.
SERIES: None at this time.


Green Glade Bee | Green Glade Hornet
NAME: Green Glade Bee
ELEMENT: Life
COST: 2 :life
TYPE: Creature
ATK|HP: 1|1
ABILITY: :death     : Gain the Venom ability until
end of turn.
Venom:Add 1 poison damage
to each successful attack.
Poison damage is cumulative.
NAME: Green Glade Hornet
ELEMENT: Life
COST: 1 :life
TYPE: Creature
ATK|HP: 1|2
ABILITY: :death  : Gain the Venom ability until
end of turn.
Venom:Add 1 poison damage
to each successful attack.
Poison damage is cumulative.
ART: Art by http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1174643   Art by Dramore
IDEA: Dramore
NOTES: Kinda like a Chrysora. Only it has to hit to poison and you can have many more from a hive.
Tho you still need to pay 1 :death per 1 poison and now you must make a successful attack as
well. Also Green Glade Bee | Green Glade Hornet are airborne(thought that would go without saying but who knows)
This ability must be used every turn that you would like to poison it is not permanent nor is it only a one time use. It may be used once each turn you have quanta to pay for it.
The idea for this card and the card that makes it came from a couple of books by Maria V. Snyder called "Storm Glass" and "Sea Glass". If you haven't read them you should if you like fantasy writing they are good and offer a differnt kind of magic then most fantasy books.
SERIES: None at this time.




Chrysora+Fractral Vs. Green Glade Bee Hive + Green Glade Bee
In a Rush to 9
COMBO: Chrysora+FractalBee Hive + Bee
Min. quanta cost: 9 :water + 9  :aether  6 :earth + 18  :life
Min. Turns 1 turn 1 Hive 9 turns,2 Hives 5 turns,3 Hives 3 turns
Cost to use ability :death :death + successful attack
Types of quanta :water  :aether  :death :earth :life  :death
Min. number of cards 2 1
Shields that can stop the poisoning None Most (any that stop upto 1 physical damage)
Max damage per single turn 9 Poison 9 Physical 9 Poison
Max playable number Chrysora. Yes Green Glade Bee. No

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111577#msg111577
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 07:42:55 am »
hive is ridiculously op, and wasp is kind of up
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and they're like "its better than yours" damn right, its better than yours! i can teach you but i'd have to charge!

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111589#msg111589
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 08:09:48 am »
hive is ridiculously op, and wasp is kind of up
I'm not following the logic. A card generating underpowered creatures is overpowered?

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111623#msg111623
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 11:30:22 am »
This card is ment to be a winnie factory,small cretures that can hurt but also die very quickly too. Also when you compare the Wasp ability to that of Chrysora it knida balances.
pro/con    Wasp      Chrysora
Wasp causes 1 damage and 1 poison(with 1 :death)
Chrysora cause 1 poison(with 1 :death)
Wasp can have several generated without the use of Fractual and may come out quicker.
Chrysora needs Fractual or Pu/Tu to have more than 6 per side.
Fireshield cooks a Wasp.
Fireshield won't harm an unbuffed Chrysora.
Most shields stop a Wasp cold.(no pun intended)
Chrysora is uneffected by shields for the most part.
Wasp makes good cheap cannon fodder.
Chrysora not so much as they are limited in number.... mostly.
Wasp fly.(it is only normal)
Chrysora don't fly.(but then again why would they want to.)
Wasp will always grow more after a Pleague.
Chrysora just die off.
Hive and there for Wasp can be Stolen or Defraged.
Chrysora can be Thundered Stormed x2,Rain of Fired,ect.ect.

I think you can see my thoughts on the way i made it.

hive is ridiculously op, and wasp is kind of up
I'm not following the logic. A card generating underpowered creatures is overpowered?
p.s. I think is a strange way he's saying it's balanced.

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111634#msg111634
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 12:27:31 pm »
the reason why hive is over powered is because it spawns poisoning creatures. poison ignores ALL shields and can only be nutralized by ONE card in the game. this card will ruin more decks than the stall deck, which is plenty powerful.
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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg111640#msg111640
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 12:35:11 pm »
the reason why hive is over powered is because it spawns poisoning creatures. poison ignores ALL shields and can only be nutralized by ONE card in the game. this card will ruin more decks than the stall deck, which is plenty powerful.
yes poison does by pass shields but thats after you are poisoned and with what this card spwans almost any shield will stop and if the other player has no  :death it's moot.

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112418#msg112418
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2010, 07:47:42 pm »
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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112425#msg112425
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2010, 08:20:05 pm »
alright, let me be a little more detailed. the chysaora combo needs 3 quanta, and it can be destroyed with RoF, plague, a couple thunderstorms, or OE. this combo cant be destroyed as easily, after all, it does spawn them infinitely. OE can keep it from getting too big, but what if you have a few hives on the field? then not even OE can stop it then. not to mention you can splash fire for deflags. easy as that. not to mention you STILL use less total quanta than the chysaora combo. hive with deflag is A LOT more powerful than chysaora/fractal.
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and they're like "its better than yours" damn right, its better than yours! i can teach you but i'd have to charge!

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112429#msg112429
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2010, 08:29:50 pm »
alright, let me be a little more detailed. the chysaora combo needs 3 quanta, and it can be destroyed with RoF, plague, a couple thunderstorms, or OE. this combo cant be destroyed as easily, after all, it does spawn them infinitely. OE can keep it from getting too big, but what if you have a few hives on the field? then not even OE can stop it then. not to mention you can splash fire for deflags. easy as that. not to mention you STILL use less total quanta than the chysaora combo. hive with deflag is A LOT more powerful than chysaora/fractal.

ok then do you think a turn limit or a production limit would be a good idea for hive? At least as way to limit the total number of wasp that can come out?

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112449#msg112449
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2010, 09:34:09 pm »
i honestly think its fine. the new deathstalker is better than this :3

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112835#msg112835
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2010, 02:00:05 pm »
Looks Familiar

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=135253&type=card)


That Super Stock image is Rights Managed.
Their legal statement makes me not even want to touch any of their product with a 10-foot pole.

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Re: Green Glade Bee Hive | Green Glade Hornet Hive https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9456.msg112989#msg112989
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 06:54:36 pm »

Try these links for some Royalty Free Stock Photos
Theres a Hive and 2 wasps there and if you want to make it less life like and a bit art, try vector mapping them like this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6259.0.html



http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1174643
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/708650
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1036450

 

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