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Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072071#msg1072071
« on: May 20, 2013, 03:08:44 am »
NAME:
Grave Lurker
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 2
TEXT:
Stealth: Can't be targeted by creatures.
:darkness :darkness Ambush:  Attack target.
NAME:
Grave Lurker
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
4 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 2
TEXT:
Stealth: Can't be targeted by creatures.
:darkness :darkness Ambush:  Attack target.

ART:
"it forms when darkness is increased by one" by Mark Witton (https://www.flickr.com/photos/markwitton/399259503/) modified by stereohelix in iPhoto
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stereohelix
NOTES:
Stealth is dispelled by anything that dispels invisibility.
Ambush is active and can be lobotomized.
SERIES:
Battlegrounds
« Last Edit: June 03, 2013, 06:58:18 am by russianspy1234 »
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072078#msg1072078
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 03:21:24 am »
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Stealth is dispelled by anything that dispels invisibility.
Both skills are active and can be lobotomized.

Can a creature have two active abilities? In any case, stealth is more suited to be a passive ability that can't be targeted by mass-cc or lobo.

I guess a weapon is only considered a creature if its flown?

Decrease the cost of the creature. I don't think I want to use 5 :death on a creature that has only 3|2. It has a great ability, but it's still very easy to kill.

Compared to parasite|bloodsucker, its ability is very strong. Possible ability cost increase instead,
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072079#msg1072079
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 03:22:30 am »
Can its ability target a player?
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072089#msg1072089
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 03:27:18 am »
Quote from: CuCN on May 20, 2013, 03:22:30 am
Can its ability target a player?

Probably a better question is, if the ability is activated and Grave Lurker attacks a creature, does it also attack the player after?
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072090#msg1072090
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 03:28:46 am »
Quote from: xsindomanx on May 20, 2013, 03:27:18 am
Quote from: CuCN on May 20, 2013, 03:22:30 am
Can its ability target a player?

Probably a better question is, if the ability is activated and Grave Lurker attacks a creature, does it also attack the player after?

Yes and yes. That's why it costs 5 for 3|2.
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072104#msg1072104
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 03:43:18 am »
Wouldnt stealth be a passive ability
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072111#msg1072111
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 03:55:39 am »
In this case active only means that it can be lobotomized. This really only refers to one card -- the lobotomizer weapon, since mind flayers can't target it.
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072114#msg1072114
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2013, 04:04:55 am »
IIRC the way the game is coded doesn't allow creatures to have more than one active ability.
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072116#msg1072116
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072128#msg1072128
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2013, 04:24:46 am »
Quote from: CuCN on May 20, 2013, 04:04:55 am
IIRC the way the game is coded doesn't allow creatures to have more than one active ability.

Ahh, okay. In that case Ambush is active and Stealth is passive. I'll update the notes.

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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072628#msg1072628
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 02:27:05 am »
Increased ability cost to  :darkness :darkness. Because the ability can be buffed I think it's fair to say that it's better than Eagle Eye, so 2 :darkness is fair, even off-element. I don't think it's balanced to lower the casting cost, so I'm keeping it as-is for now.

Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming!
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Re: Grave Lurker | Grave Lurker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49338.msg1072632#msg1072632
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 02:35:31 am »
OE+FW is 2 cards + 6 :air + mono snipe + 5 damage per turn, or 1 card + 8 :air + mono snipe + 5 damage per turn.
Grave Lurker is 1 card + 5 :death + duo snipe + 3 damage per turn.

There is a discrepancy of 3 :underworld. 1 of these comes from the duo cost, and the other 2 :underworld probably come from the less damage. The ability to be untargettable by other creatures only is worth around 1/2 :underworld if I had to say, so 5 :death is fine.
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