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Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg298348#msg298348
« on: March 26, 2011, 06:34:33 am »
NAME:
Golden Obelisk
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
2 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Each turn  :time is generated.
 :time:Slow: Target creature is delayed for 1 turn.
NAME:
Golden Obelisk
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
1 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Each turn  :time is generated.
 :time:Slow: Target creature is delayed for 1 turn.
ART:
Emerald Tiger
IDEA:
ralouf1 and OldTrees
NOTES:
It doesn't form stacks.
SERIES:
Monoliths/Obelisks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23373.msg318147#msg318147)
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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg298710#msg298710
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 07:00:09 pm »
think these series are a great idea!
And great art ET

I'm unsure about this one as I couldn't see the ability being used often? As far as I'm aware there are no cards yet which have some form of (minor) benefit from being discarded. If you have  :time then you're more likely to go for hourglass for drawing card ability :s

I can't say I've followed the discussion on these much, so not sure of other options. What might be interesting is something like, discard one card, your opponent doesn't draw a card next turn, although that would lead to unwanted lockdowns...

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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg298723#msg298723
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2011, 07:18:31 pm »
think these series are a great idea!
And great art ET

I'm unsure about this one as I couldn't see the ability being used often? As far as I'm aware there are no cards yet which have some form of (minor) benefit from being discarded. If you have  :time then you're more likely to go for hourglass for drawing card ability :s

I can't say I've followed the discussion on these much, so not sure of other options. What might be interesting is something like, discard one card, your opponent doesn't draw a card next turn, although that would lead to unwanted lockdowns...
Do not compare this to Hourglass. Compare 2x this +4precognitions to 6 precognitions.
It can also be used a draw fixing (although most current decks eliminate the need for draw fixing in the deck design stage. There is a cost for that and this is an alternative.)

That said If you can come up with a better effect, noting that such effect would have to be weak considering it only costs 2quanta and does not cost a draw, then we will change it.
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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg298736#msg298736
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 07:29:13 pm »
think these series are a great idea!
And great art ET

I'm unsure about this one as I couldn't see the ability being used often? As far as I'm aware there are no cards yet which have some form of (minor) benefit from being discarded. If you have  :time then you're more likely to go for hourglass for drawing card ability :s

I can't say I've followed the discussion on these much, so not sure of other options. What might be interesting is something like, discard one card, your opponent doesn't draw a card next turn, although that would lead to unwanted lockdowns...
Do not compare this to Hourglass. Compare 2x this +4precognitions to 6 precognitions.
It can also be used a draw fixing (although most current decks eliminate the need for draw fixing in the deck design stage. There is a cost for that and this is an alternative.)

That said If you can come up with a better effect, noting that such effect would have to be weak considering it only costs 2quanta and does not cost a draw, then we will change it.
I didn't mean to compare directly as one to one. Just saying that should I have a deck with  :time and want something to draw cards with I'd most likely choose the hourglass over this (imo).
I'd love to come up with an alternative, and should I, I will post. It's not that I don't like the idea or disagree with it, just looking at the game atm I think this one would be more underused than the other Obelisks.

edit: if you wanted to change the aether obilisk to something like target creature is immaterial for a turn (or something else), this could get the delay effect. "slow down time" kinda slant on it. Not saying that's a great solution, just a thought.

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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg298759#msg298759
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2011, 07:58:05 pm »
if you wanted to change the aether obilisk to something like target creature is immaterial for a turn (or something else), this could get the delay effect. "slow down time" kinda slant on it. Not saying that's a great solution, just a thought.
This is a good idea.
I will leave the draw fixing effect up for a bit so if anyone likes it they can argue for it. However unless something changes I will use your suggestion.

Golden Obelisk now changed to delay target creature for 1 turn.
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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg299269#msg299269
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2011, 04:55:12 pm »
Like it  :)

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Re: Golden Obelisk | Golden Obelisk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23413.msg299590#msg299590
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 10:26:09 pm »
CURATOR COMMENT:
-Please fix the NAME section of your table:
    + Obelisk should be Golden Obelisk
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