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Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg427395#msg427395
« on: November 18, 2011, 08:12:26 pm »
NAME:
Glacier
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
3 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Freeze a stack of pillars or pendulums. The target stack does not produce quanta for 1 turn.
NAME:
Glacier
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Freeze a stack of pillars or pendulums. The target stack does not produce quanta for 1 turn.
ART:
Used with the permission of Mark Gudmundsen
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A quick stall for Water.
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NAME:
Glacier
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Freeze a stack of pillars or pendulums. The target stack does not produce quanta for 2 turns.
NAME:
Glacier
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Freeze a stack of pillars or pendulums. The target stack does not produce quanta for 2 turns.
ART:
Mark Gudmundsen (http://www.nationalparksart.com/WrangleStEllisNtlPark.html)
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A nice thematic stall for water, intended to help it combat the monopoly on good stalling that aether seems to enjoy.
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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg427408#msg427408
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 08:40:40 pm »
Seems extremely strong, possibly overpowered.  Consider that many decks only play one type of pillar or pendulum-- chaining these would be insane.   I feel the only way to balance it would be to increase its cost to a point where it would be next to unplayable.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg427410#msg427410
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 08:50:22 pm »
So like around 9 or so? Consider also that most competent decks, even in mono, have a 50/50 pillar/pendulum split, as well as the simple fact that Enchant costs a mere 2 :earth.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg427444#msg427444
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 10:23:52 pm »
It seems broken at the moment. An easy fix would be to have it only freeze the stack for one turn (and possibly lower the cost).

I like the idea though. Nice job. :)

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg427463#msg427463
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 11:02:09 pm »
Ok, here's my reasoning: if you make it three turns, then it could cost 12 :water and STILL be broken. If you make it only last one turn, then it kind of sucks as a stall, because even if you chain them, you're spending all/most of your quanta production (early to mid-game, when quanta production matters most) on locking down theirs (or really, only half of theirs because they have a 50/50 pillar/pendulum split). So it still sucks. By locking down their quanta for two turns, you more-or less gain a one-turn advantage on quanta production. Please discuss.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg428381#msg428381
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 08:39:54 pm »
Actually, now that I have thought about it, Xenocidius is right. One turn should be plenty if I bring the cost down to 3/2.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg428387#msg428387
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2011, 08:59:28 pm »
I agree.. one turn and a price drop is perfect for this.. The inconvenience of not being able to generate any quanta is inconvenient. Nice card
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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg428460#msg428460
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 12:09:28 am »
OP updated.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg428529#msg428529
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 02:47:35 am »
This isn't actually any more OP than black hole; it's one quanta cheaper but heals no hp.  This is better against decks using one type of pillar, whereas black hole is better against decks using multiple types of quanta.  Both black hole and this are awesome against quantum pillars, and that's fine, since rainbow decks, at least in PvE, are the most powerful type of deck.

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Re: Glacier | Glacier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33885.msg428535#msg428535
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 02:55:16 am »
Great PC for :water! Nearly as good as EQ in early game.
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