Frog Staff | Life Staff

[rohlfo]

Upped(assuming the creatures spawned are unupped):

true.

Change the cost to 5  | 4  .

If people consider the card OP, here are some nerfs you could do:
Raise the casting cost to 6  | 5  .
Raise the ability cost to 4  .


Oh, and nice art!

I don't want to raise cost of ability tbh, weapon would become more expensive if anything. Or, another option if too OP is to have it create baby horned frogs, at 1|1 or 2|2 lol.
thanks for breakdown, and if you think upped should be 4 then would you prefer that or get rid of the chance to get Rustler say? making all others 25% chance? Is an option.

Thanks about the art comment I'm still getting to grips with this whole digital art making stuff :s

[ZephyrPhantom]

My personal opinion is to make the unupped cost 5  and the upped cost 4  to play.  I think you should keep the rustler in the spawning ability because it balanced out the spawning of the stronger creatures like Cockatrice and Scorpion.

[OldTrees]

The ability is just OP'd.  I'd take an infinite creature spawn over 5 healing any day.  Hell, I'd just stick with the unupped version.  This card is as broken as mitosis but it's not vulnerable to CC.

The ability is OP? Is creature generation so powerful that we must nerf FFQ? No.

Then it must be the vulnerability to PC instead of CC that is the problem? In the case of Venom (Forest Scorpion vs Arsenic) there was a multiple of x3/2 to the cost due to less PC than CC.
Since the ability  : Generate Horned Frog is worth 4 then the ability  : Generate Horned Frog on a weapon may be worth 6 .

So maybe it isn't the power that makes you avoid it but rather the greater versatility compared to Regenerate? Here I cannot fault you. Regenerate is not worth much due to the competition with SoG. Also low cost weapons are meant to be able to be played early but Regenerate is not very useful in the first few turns. Perhaps increasing the effect and cost of Druidic Staff would be enough to solve both problems? Cost 6 , Regenerate 15 sounds like it would compete as it should with SoG in Life decks.

If none of these was the reason for your comment Glitch then please enlighten me. I will always think of you as Life Master. I await your wisdom.

Good use of your theory ZBlader. However other weapons might not act the same as Elemental weapons.
My Theory on Elemental weapons (with lots of help from Nepycros)
Cost = Attack + Skill -3 (single slot)

Value of Skill if on a creature unupped 4 = 3 (creature value [not cost]) +2 (card generation) -1 (expensive)
Value of Skill if on a weapon unupped 6 = 3/2 x 4
Upgraded the average creature value (due to creating various unupped creatures) increases by .1 small enough to ignore.

So Cost 5 = 2|3 (attack) +6 (Skill) -3 (single slot) -0|1 (upgrade)

[rohlfo]

Thanks for the great insight OldTrees! Makes me feel more confident about my choices!
And as you say, Druidic Staff is perhaps one of the weakest weapons due to SoG, so perhaps this would be a nice alternative option for life?

I kinda did it by feel sort of thing, Horned Frog costs 2 , but should cost 3 as you save a card, upgraded gives you more chance to get your money's worth, but random... cost I went with Zblader's suggestion of 5 as it seems to fit with the other more expensive weapons already in game...

I would enjoy reading a response from Gl1tch, otherwise do people think it's ready for submitting?