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Title: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 03:37:47 am

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/Aj1t1/garnetstone2.png)	(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/Aj1t1/garnetgem2.png)
NAME: Garnet Stone ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 3 :gravity TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 1|3 TEXT: Each turn :gravity is generated. :gravity :gravity :gravity : Half of target's quanta transforms into quanta of target's mark.	NAME: Garnet Gem ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 3 :gravity TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3|3 TEXT: Each turn :gravity is generated. :gravity :gravity :gravity : Half of target's quanta transforms into quanta of target's mark.

ART: Jacob Philpott (Ajit) original image is part of the public domain IDEA: Ajit NOTES: - Either player can be targeted by the ability Changes: - Changes the ability from all quanta to half of the quanta SERIES: Gem Series (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16740.0.html)

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Kamietsu on December 02, 2010, 04:44:05 am

OP in my mind. You could play a quantum pillar grav deck, or any other mono-duo deck, add these cards and suddenly you get a huge quanta boost to your main element. I think if it chose a random element (that you have quanta off) is converted to yoru mark quanta.

I'd always think Onyx fits this element more than garnet.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 04:47:06 am

Ah yes you're probably right, I'll more than likely change this to a random quanta.  It would still be effective if you are playing a Duo- or Trio- deck and need a Gravity quanta push.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Wizardcat on December 02, 2010, 04:49:04 am

This plus Bolts... Ow. Gonna go with OP, too.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Kamietsu on December 02, 2010, 04:52:26 am

Or change how the effect works, like a reverse Black hole. have it take up to 3 quanta from each of the target player's quanta and turn it into quanta of your mark divided by 2. Something like that might be good.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: OldTrees on December 02, 2010, 04:53:36 am

Good job with the balancing.

The new ability is really nice and fits Gravity element of order very nicely. However I fear that the ability is powerful enough to rate a higher Casting Cost.

Quantum Pillars, Gravity Mark
Turn 5 activate ability convert 15 quanta to Gravity per Quantum Pillar and 3 more per pillar per turn (-1 per turn).
The quantum pillars are likely to generate :gravity to make this faster.

I think this is the best one from your Gem series and I would rate a balanced version of this on par with a balanced version of Soul Collector, Nova and Immolation.

So the ability is powerful but it fits as a thematically appropriate special quanta accelerator. I would keep it tied to the mark/Gravity (less randomness from a Gravity quanta generator) but increase the costs or maybe lose some of the quanta in the process?

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 05:21:29 am

Thank you so much Kamietsu and OldTrees for the suggestions.

Would this be a good compromise?

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/Aj1t1/garnetstone2.png)

I increased the price as well.

If not, how about even 1/3 of quanta?

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 05:21:49 am

whoops delete please.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: OldTrees on December 02, 2010, 05:28:35 am

I was referring more to something like

Convert quanta into half that much quanta of the your mark.

however what you have would work better.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 05:33:01 pm

Cool ok thanks for helping balance this, I'll work on it soon.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 02, 2010, 07:23:27 pm

If it works on your enemy, this completely shuts down some FGs. And that's bad. FG grinding isn't supposed to be easy...

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 02, 2010, 07:46:24 pm

As of right now, it does work on enemies.  But I am amending it to convert only half of the quanta, is that still gonna shut them down?

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 03, 2010, 03:38:07 pm

Probably not as bad. Losing all of your quanta is a shutdown, losing half of it is probably OP but not TOTAL.

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: Ajit on December 04, 2010, 09:58:25 pm

Well you aren't losing your quanta, its being transformed.  But yes I know what you mean.  Thanks for the help

Title: Re: Garnet Stone | Garnet Gem
Post by: doublecross on January 29, 2011, 11:44:49 pm

This actually doesn't seem all that OP.


Used on an enemy:
It really only hurts having your quanta converted to your mark if you have a duo where your mark is actually the lesser element.

Used on yourself:
This doesn't give you more quanta than you already had.
It only would be a really good strategy if you were using quantum pillars, where this could speed up your quanta production, but
1) It only converts half
2) You would need to have 3 :gravity available to use (which could be a problem if you are only using quantum pillars)

Thus, I really do not think this is OP.


If you are really still afraid of it being OP, then I would either remove the quanta production, or turn it into absorption (which I think is completely unnecessary.