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Construction Pillar | Construction Tower https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472904#msg472904
« on: March 21, 2012, 06:28:43 am »
NAME:
Construction Pillar
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Add 3 scaffolds to stack
Construct: Use a scaffold.  Add a pillar of target quanta type to hand at end of round.
NAME:
Construction Tower
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Add 3 scaffolds to stack
Construct: Use a scaffold.  Add a tower of target quanta type to hand at end of round.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scaffolding_Waverley_Station.jpg
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The idea of this card is to provide players a way to gain access to pillars (or towers) without getting stunted by bad draws. This card should be useful to all decks, but is primarily aimed at multi-color decks that use few enough elements that quantum pillars are still unreliable. Hopefully this will make trios and quartets a little more viable.
SERIES:
Old Version
NAME:
Scaffolding
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
1 Construction: Choose a quanta type. Add one pillar of that type to your hand at the end of the round.
NAME:
Advanced Scaffolding
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
2 Construction: Choose a quanta type. Add one tower of that type to your hand at the end of the round.
ART:
Kim Traynor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scaffolding_Waverley_Station.jpg
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472923#msg472923
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 11:08:26 am »
I smell a very slight buff in mind-gate deck.

And I love the idea that you need only one pillar for one particular element for this card to serve a game-saver

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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472942#msg472942
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 01:58:16 pm »
What if this were used in a pillarless deck? I would expect 1-2 of these would show up in the starting hand

1 Scaffolding + 1 Mark (end of turn quanta reserves)
1|1|1|2|4|7|12|18|25|33|42|52
2 Scaffolding + 1 Mark (end of turn quanta reserves)
1|1|1|1|3|7|13|21|31|43|57|73

1 Advanced Scaffolding + 1 Mark (end of turn quanta reserves)
1|2|1|1|3|6|10|15|21|28|36|45
2 Advanced Scaffolding + 1 Mark (end of turn quanta reserves)
1|2|1|1|3|4|07|13|21|31|43|57
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472979#msg472979
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 04:27:02 pm »
The original idea was to make multi color decks easier, but now that you mention it this would make a "pillarless" decks a lot easier to pull off.
I would expect nova / immolation would be very useful in that case.
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472981#msg472981
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 04:31:47 pm »
The original idea was to make multi color decks easier, but now that you mention it this would make a "pillarless" decks a lot easier to pull off.
I would expect nova / immolation would be very useful in that case.
You missed my point. Imagine a deck without Pillars, Novas or Immolations. That is what the calculations were for.
Pillar based decks tend to average at 5|10|15|20|+5
So Scaffolding would not work (as it currently is) as a primary quanta source.
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472982#msg472982
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 04:34:14 pm »
Ah. I see what your saying now. Would taking away the activation cost for the ability help?
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg472984#msg472984
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 04:39:55 pm »
this was essentially what i started with before i ended up with primal quantum.  it requires a ton of checks and balances or it is simply too powerful.
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg473023#msg473023
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 08:32:26 pm »
How about this:

It now acts like a pillar or tower stack, making it vulnerable to earthquakes. Essentially its a pillar that produces no quanta, but transforms into pillars of the type you want. Since it is a stack you are guaranteed to only be allowed to make 1 pillar a round (or 1 pillar and 1 tower if uppgraded version is used too).
In essence the trade off is
-Slower speed
-Higher versatility than other pillar types
-Greater long run production than single quanta pillars
-Moderately improved resistance to earthquakes over other pillars
-More reliable than quantum pillar, but slower production rate
In short, it can supplement quanta production and round out shortages of a few quanta types but decks will still want standard pillars or alternate quanta sources to tide them over in the short run.

Income breakdown using these + mark only. Assuming you get 4 (EOTQ = End Of Turn Quanta):
Quanta Production:1 |1 |2 |3 |4  |5   |6  |7  |8  |9
EOTQ                    :1 |2 |4 |7 |11|16|22|29|37|45

Now suppose you get 1 construction and 3 standards + mark
Quanta Production:4 |4 |5   |6   |7  |8   |8  |8
EOTQ                   :4 |8 |13 |19 |28|36 |42|50

Compare to previous analysis from OldTrees for 4 standards + mark
EOTQ:5|10|15|20|25|30|35|40

This is lower production until after 4 rounds. After the 5th round it actually overtakes standard pillars only.
But, whereas you will be stuck with whatever types you draw using standards, you will be able to direct your quanta production to match the other cards you draw.
So the question is: Does the increased versatility, and long run benefit make up for the reduced production rate at start.
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Re: Scaffolding | Advanced Scaffolding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg473032#msg473032
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 09:24:17 pm »
I like it a lot!

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Re: Construction Pillar | Construction Tower https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg473089#msg473089
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 03:04:02 am »
Updated with new Pillar / Tower version. Old version left in spoiler.
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Re: Construction Pillar | Construction Tower https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg475042#msg475042
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 07:59:16 am »
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Re: Construction Pillar | Construction Tower https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37645.msg475179#msg475179
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 10:14:10 pm »
Done
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