Forest Hermit | Forest Sage

[Pineapple]

NAME: Forest Hermit ELEMENT: Life COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 2 TEXT: Each turn, heal 1 HP for each card in your hand. : Precognition	NAME: Forest Sage ELEMENT: Life COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 4 TEXT: Each turn, heal 1 HP for each card in your hand. : Precognition

ART: pineapple IDEA: pineapple NOTES: V2: costs 4 V1: costs 3 experimenting with weird synergies SERIES:

[jazzfan27]

It's a pretty cool card.  With the 3 cost for precog I don't think that ability will be used very often, would take a fairly specific deck.  However, I see some nice synergy with the life gain and Mitosis.  Personally, I think the game could use a creature that grants healing.

I like.  I might even sub this into the bone collector deck I'm using for my Heals.  I think it's that good.

(I'm also liking a deck with this, mitosis, and Shard of Patience, get crazy healing to stall until your horde of Hermits gets that OTK.)

[Drake_XIV]

I really like this idea.  Following.

[storyteller]

biggest reason I see for precog, is to get more cards in your hand... which works pretty well. I see some adrenaline and deja vus here.

[red12344321]

with the precog why not make it 2 cost like the nymph

[Drake_XIV]

Because that's the Nymph.

[dragonsdemesne]

This looks like a really fun card   I'd totally use this if it were in-game.  I'm just worried that having both of those abilities on one card will be OP.  For example, if the precog skill were removed from this card, I'd still consider this card very playable.  Even without the precog ability on the card it would still be really good with time due to hourglasses and nymphs.

For those who hate ghostmare, this is pretty effective against it, since they're giving you cards in hand

I'm also a little worried about the fractal synergy, since the extra cards in hand are doubly effective with this; you get cards in hand for hp, and you get more hermits.  I suppose you could make the healing ability not stack, but that makes it awfully weak.  It also synergizes pretty good with time's draw cards, with mindgate, and with shard of serendipity.  Hmm... maybe that's why I like this card so much, those are 3 of my favourite things in elements :p

[Rutarete]

I really like this idea.  Following.

Same here. Just a tad worried about Fractal balance though.

[storyteller]

its fine for fractal, compare the following

Sage = 23 x 8 HP per turn

6 Feral Bond = 23 x 6 HP per turn.

its not much more powerful even with full field and full hand, only 46 HP per turn, and at these points... its negligible.

[Pineapple]

its fine for fractal, compare the following

Sage = 23 x 8 HP per turn

6 Feral Bond = 23 x 6 HP per turn.

its not much more powerful even with full field and full hand, only 46 HP per turn, and at these points... its negligible.

Well, now compare it to photon.

Maximum Effect:
36 + 93 = 4 Fractals + 23 Sage + 6 Feral Bonds + 7 cards in hand = 299 HP per turn
36 + 24 = 4 Fractals + 23 Photons + 6 Feral Bonds = 138 HP per turn
Conclusion: When cards-per-combo is held constant, cost-effectiveness in terms of quanta (129 for Sage and 60 for Photon) vs. HP gained (299 for Sage and 138 for Photon) seems balanced when the effect is maximized.

Maximum Practical Effect (100 HP):
27 + 33 = 3 Fractals + 11 Sage + 3 Feral Bonds + 6 cards in hand = 99 HP per turn
36 + 20 = 4 Fractals + 20 Photons + 5 Feral Bonds = 100 Hp per turn
Conclusion: When the HP gained is held constant, the cost-effectiveness in terms of quanta (60 for Sage and 56 for Photon) and cards-per-combo (7 for Sage and 10 for Photon) seems to lean towards Sage being more powerful than Photon. For this reason, Sage may need an increase in cost.

Also, as shown in your calculations, the Sage version is more consistent and less vulnerable to PC because you heal more given you don't have Feral Bonds in the Sage version.

For these reasons, I reckon I should change the card to 4 (0 | 4) and 3 (0 | 4). This will make it (the unupgraded version) more durable while having the same cost as Sanctuary and requiring 50% of your hand to be unused to heal the same amount as Sanctuary.

Thoughts?

[Pineapple]

V2 Marker.
Filler art up.
Requesting "real" card art.

[Annele]

Personally, I think that the ability cost can be 2 , because it is out-of-element. I love the idea though.