Zenith | Zenith

[Bloodshadow]

Gravity Pull means you win, though.

OH SHI-

Hm... Well, that's troublesome. I'll make it so that the passive ability is removed when Gravity Pull is cast on it.

[guy_fawkes]

also if i use its ability on itself before quintessencing it, i made it immune to the last two cards you mentioned...

Same thing happens if you cast momentum on it. Your argument is weak.

it's funny how i explained you how to make a creature unremovable, you found another way to make it unremovable and thus my argoument is weak!
(also your way involves ONE MORE CARD, while my way uses the very same card's ability)

LOL!!

i am sorry, it's my opinion that in a card game NOTHING should be UNREMOVABLE, this is a cardinal concept i have in every game that involves strategy.
that's why i am against protected artifacts too.. and expecially shields that comes into play immortal. I have a deck that revolves around charging a fire lance and you play a mirror shield costing 2 white quanta and i am forced to auto quit because in NO WAY i can accomplish the idea of my deck? it's ridicolous!

as i explained before: my point was not demostrating this card is OP, but asking WHY should it be THAT poweful.. the "immortalty" was not the final purpose of the card, it was just an addon to make it super powerful.

if you added the "hp cannot go down" ability just for "lore" to sinergize with the Nadir card, i suggest you find a less powerful way to create this sinergy

[Bloodshadow]

If you don't think it's OP, then why are we even having this debate?

A deck with Mirror Shield counters Fire Bolt decks. That does not make Mirror Shield overpowered. If certain types of decks cannot deal with a card, that does not make the card OP.

[Harikaze]

Oh yeah you finally made this a card. Loved the art on it's own XD. anyway yeah i would really only see this as overpowered in an otyugh deck, otherwise it can be dealt with

[Bloodshadow]

Oh yeah you finally made this a card. Loved the art on it's own XD. anyway yeah i would really only see this as overpowered in an otyugh deck, otherwise it can be dealt with

IMO quinted Otyugh is even more overpowered. At least Zenith + Otyugh can still be targeted by rewind, freeze, lobo, etc.

[Higurashi]

Seems needlessly complex and situational to me when we have Immaterial already. That said, its passive skill would be worse than being Immaterial, so perhaps that's a good thing. I don't mind the ideas and the synergy with Nadir and this. Just seems a bit complex for no reason other than to satisfy your concept. I do like the fact that Light would get some creature control, however. I'd sooner make this card have more HP than make it impervious, though. The skill needs to be more expensive as well, and be able to stop at 0 attack. If this worked as Antimatter, it would be way too good, I think.

[Bloodshadow]

Wait... Oops. I actually said that this card cannot reduce a creature's ATK to a negative number. But my brain somehow glitched, and I put that sentence in the Nadir thread. It's fixed now.

[$$$man]

you could make it so that although it's hp cannot be reduced it can be killed like it could not be hurt by a normal fire bolt but one with 10 quanta would kill it.