Focused Gravity | Crushing Gravity

[standizzle]

then is Antimatter OP? its like this card only its a bit better.

no. antimatter is a different quanta.

How is an Otyugh affected by attack? Oytugh eats based on Defense.

he isnt.

i am referring to a COMBO with the two. since both cards in the same element, its OBVIOUS a combo of the two would be used.

[killsdazombies]

Look so if antimatter is used on a creature its less op the this card? an otyugh dosnt CARE about attack, sure it would be a GOOD combo obviously.....

[standizzle]

Look so if antimatter is used on a creature its less op the this card? an otyugh dosnt CARE about attack, sure it would be a GOOD combo obviously.....

then OBVIOUSLY your missing my point. this card idea would be in the same element as oty.....  having with 13 cards in each damn element... 2 cards that reduce your creatures to 0 AP, and eat any card under 5HP. would completely make this game a sham and people wouldnt play it because no one in their right mind would play anything other than gravity.

[killsdazombies]

Look first of this card could use balancing, i know that but its called creature control, rewind, there are MANY counters to gravity and as such there are many counters to this card, dose that mean that its OP to be able antimatter a creature then paradox another? And stop with the F bomb

[Essence]

then OBVIOUSLY your missing my point. this card idea would be in the same element as oty.....  having with 13 cards in each damn element... 2 cards that reduce your creatures to 0 AP, and eat any card under 5HP. would completely make this game a sham and people wouldnt play it because no one in their right mind would play anything other than gravity.

Umm...forgive me for being stupid, but how is having both Focused Gravity and Otyugh in one element any different than having Ice Bolt and Congeal, or Eagle's Eye and Shockwave, or Rain of Fire and Rage Potion, or Scarab and Eternity, or any of the many other elements that have more than one creature control card?

Heck, Water has SEVEN creature control cards in one Element. 

And in case you didn't get it, Crushing Gravity is the upgrade of Focused Gravity, so it's not like you could have 12 cards that set a creature's power to zero in the same deck.

[Kael Hate]

@Essence

My question seems to have been lost in the Discussion above.

Why did you choose Gravity for this card?

Coming from the discussion about holding off attackers I concepted using Death with a card called "Atrophy" deliberately usable as an offensive item considering Death is quite weak in a mono-sense. You could also plausibly use other options such as Pacifism or such to achiieve a similar task.

[Arondight]

Personally, I find mono-death quite strong now Flesh Recluse is 6/3 for 3 . Now, paired with Bone Walls, Skull Buckler, Aflatoxin, and so forth. I think Death fairs okay. 

Crushing Gravity, makes sense.. Or it can be light! And it would be called "Pacifism" for a 1 cost. 

[mafidufa]

Why is the upgrade so much cheaper than the original? 4 to 1 upgrade is OP, generally when casting cost is reduced for the upgrade it goes down by either 1 or 2 if its a bit more expensive. No existing card gets cost reduced by 3 (well OK miracle but thats special not to mention way expensive so 3 quantum isn't a very significant part of its cost). To go in line with other cards this should be 4 upgrade to 3 , like steal. Lower than that would be too cheap in my opinion

[Essence]

Why did you choose Gravity for this card?

Quite simply because I had the concept (a crushing field of gravity) and then built the mechanic around it, rather than the other way around.


And Mafidufa, if I were going to be concerned with your logic, my response would be to change the unupgraded version to 3 , not the other way around.

[Oooh Muffin]

I've been thinking and the cards seems all right,
entropy do have antimatter, and that's better

[mafidufa]

Wait, aren't you the same Essence who made this thread?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5508.0/topicseen.html

Isn't this an unwritten rule? Both me and my logic would still protest a 3 to 1 upgrade because the only cards that do that are bolts and this is definitely not a bolt. Everything else (by this I mean every other card with a 1 upgraded cost and a cost reduction upgrade) goes 2 to 1, plus they are mostly creature control so we can even compare effects. This is - in my opinion - a stronger form of creature control than lightning, shockwave, and gravity pull so I don't think it deserves a 2 to 1 cost, that would be too cheap. How about  unupgraded and  upgraded?

[Essence]

Agreed: 3 to 2 it is.