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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531141#msg531141
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 07:50:24 pm »
I really like this card! There's just one thing I can't grasp. Why should it still deal damage when the attack is unsuccesful?
Think of it like having something thats on fire sitting next to you every turn... Whether it gets through to the enemy or not, you still get burned

Lol, ok, so it's sort of a concept thing, not a game mechanics thing? I get it. It kinda goes with the whole 'berserk" quality of  :fire

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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531144#msg531144
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 08:16:00 pm »
Exactly. Higher damage output, at a price.
It also makes this card useful as an offensive weapon: Place on opponent's creature, then stun it ...

Thematically... would it be good to have this only turn off if the card gets frozen?
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531150#msg531150
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 08:29:23 pm »
Exactly. Higher damage output, at a price.
It also makes this card useful as an offensive weapon: Place on opponent's creature, then stun it ...

Thematically... would it be good to have this only turn off if the card gets frozen?

Well, thematically it makes sense. But then what happens if you use it on a water creature placed in a flooded slot?

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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531153#msg531153
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2012, 08:36:50 pm »
Exactly. Higher damage output, at a price.
It also makes this card useful as an offensive weapon: Place on opponent's creature, then stun it ...

Thematically... would it be good to have this only turn off if the card gets frozen?

Well, thematically it makes sense. But then what happens if you use it on a water creature placed in a flooded slot?
... That could be fun... if only there were more lines on a card...
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531246#msg531246
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2012, 12:51:32 am »
Rounded up or down?
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531249#msg531249
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2012, 12:55:15 am »
Rounded up... its supposed to hurt after all... :)
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531251#msg531251
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2012, 12:58:25 am »
If this thing is meant to be toric like a ring, I suggest it be ouroboros, cuz aura seems a bit chaotic, it does not have a definite shape.
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531259#msg531259
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2012, 01:20:48 am »
Its meant to be aura like really... It was just easy to make it ring like. I may update the art in a few days when I can think of a good creature to put a fiery aura on.
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531467#msg531467
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2012, 08:30:24 am »
This is a nice idea, my main concern is that it is underpowered. The closest analogues are Blessing and Chaos Power (upgraded). Blessing is 1 more quanta for the same effect without the downside, and with a bonus to HP. Upgraded Chaos Power gives an average of 3 Atk, again with a bonus to HP instead of a downside. I'll go with blessing for the calculation because it isn't random and thus more definitive.

Common Attributes
1 :underworld Cost.
+3 Atk

Burning Nimbus
Negative
Deals 2/3rds of total Atk damage to owner.

Improved Blessing
Positive
+3 Defense
Negative
+ 1  :light casting cost


So basically in using this over Improved Blessing, you are trading a 1 lower quanta cost for 2/3rds self-damage and not getting +3 defense.

Terribly inefficient damage-wise, but I could see something like a fire-time scorpion deck based on it and using the remaining Nimbus as CC, potentially with SoSa. But unless you want CC to be the primary function of this card while avoiding damage somehow (whether it be SoSa, Phase Shield, Delaying/Freezing the creature, or otherwise), and want it to be a smart option to use on your own creatures, I would recommend a change of some sort.

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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531468#msg531468
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2012, 08:36:42 am »
So, 1 ATK creature will do more damage to opponent than you, but 2+ ATK creature will do more damage to you than the opponent? (Talking about additional damage, 1.5 is the border)
No.. It's not good.
Just reduce the damage to one third or something.
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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531500#msg531500
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2012, 12:53:42 pm »
This is a nice idea, my main concern is that it is underpowered. The closest analogues are Blessing and Chaos Power (upgraded). Blessing is 1 more quanta for the same effect without the downside, and with a bonus to HP. Upgraded Chaos Power gives an average of 3 Atk, again with a bonus to HP instead of a downside. I'll go with blessing for the calculation because it isn't random and thus more definitive.

Common Attributes
1 :underworld Cost.
+3 Atk

Burning Nimbus
Negative
Deals 2/3rds of total Atk damage to owner.

Improved Blessing
Positive
+3 Defense
Negative
+ 1  :light casting cost


So basically in using this over Improved Blessing, you are trading a 1 lower quanta cost for 2/3rds self-damage and not getting +3 defense.

Terribly inefficient damage-wise, but I could see something like a fire-time scorpion deck based on it and using the remaining Nimbus as CC, potentially with SoSa. But unless you want CC to be the primary function of this card while avoiding damage somehow (whether it be SoSa, Phase Shield, Delaying/Freezing the creature, or otherwise), and want it to be a smart option to use on your own creatures, I would recommend a change of some sort.

I think this is correct. I didn't realize it before, but It does overlap with those cards, costs pretty much the same and has less benefits. Maybe +5 damage to opponent and 1/3 self damage (like choongmyoung said) could make this card a viable option.
I still consider it a good idea though. I mean, it can be used in a weapon!! that's cool!

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Re: Flame Aura | Burning Nimbus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42568.msg531712#msg531712
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2012, 12:06:09 am »
Why is the upped card's cost less than the unupped card's?
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