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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305147#msg305147
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2011, 07:08:41 am »
Then you'd use the monolith on the Lava Golem... *facepalm* when you get it
Oldtrees i see your point but look on this side
A tower creates 1, ONLY 1 extra quanta - for speed. What good is 8 extra quanta when playing 8 towers? A lot.
BUT!
An upped monolith creates +1|+0 for as long as a creature is alive.

equation where x=amount of towers played and y= number of turns since play:
Towers:
(x+x*y)
Pillars:
(x*y)
Monolith
(x*y) but it's got a bonus attack power, which would be (x*y)

Towers give a measly extra x, which is pretty much darn useless, unless you get an awesome combo of the perfect amount of towers/creatures. I mean, if x=5 and y=4, after 4 turns (since y=4), towers will create 25, whereas monoliths create 20+20 DAMAGE. That is equivalently more than a tower creates quanta. Increase y, and you'll see that monolith gets boosted twice with the y.
Is 20 damage worth more than 5 quanta? That is the question...  :-\
That is indeed the question but I believe Ash Eater answers it nicely. 2 damage per turn for 1quanta +1card. Unless the draw cost is greater than the quanta cost then 1atk=<1quanta.

Also the extra x quanta occurs on turn 1 meaning -1 TTW compared to pillars. Hence the benefit of a monolith must be able to compete with that initial turn loss and the resource loss.

Also just for added emphasis: X=4, Y=5 (assuming a free Ash Eater pet for the pure monolith entry to make sense)
4 Towers + Ash Eater Pet
24 :fire +10 damage (1 target)
2 Towers + 2 Brimestone Eater + Ash Eater Pet
20 :fire + 30 damage (3 targets.)
4 Upped Monoliths + Ash Eater Pet
20 :fire + 30 damage (1-4 targets. 1 in this example)
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305152#msg305152
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2011, 07:14:48 am »
When this card is being examined, it should be looked at as costing 1 quanta as opposed to 1 quanta and 1 card. Since it's taking the lace of your pillars, it's not really costing you anything as far as card count is concerned.

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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305195#msg305195
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2011, 10:56:18 am »
What we have to think about is that you play vs an opponent that can kill your creature if you give for example +5/+0 to A target
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305240#msg305240
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2011, 01:27:45 pm »
 I don't see what you're arguing about because most people these days use entropy decks (as far as I'm concerned) and they're bound to have some antimatters in their decks and they would just rebound it right back at you and you'll heal them.

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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305349#msg305349
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2011, 04:34:24 pm »
So; keeping see the thing from your point of view; a card that gives +50/+0 isnt OP cuz the turn after you will play AM right ?
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg305363#msg305363
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2011, 05:14:07 pm »
I don't see what you're arguing about because most people these days use entropy decks (as far as I'm concerned) and they're bound to have some antimatters in their decks and they would just rebound it right back at you and you'll heal them.
I want it to be balance against non entropy decks too because as far as I'm concerned all mono and duo decks should be represented in the metagame. If I can balance a card in both current and ideal metagames that is better than just balancing it in one or the other. That is why I am discussing if it is balanced as is or not.

Thanks for the helpful comment QuantumT. Do you think I hit my 1quanta +0cards mark with this monolith?
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg306714#msg306714
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2011, 02:24:41 pm »
This card should be either limited to fire or to fire and earth.

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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg306732#msg306732
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2011, 03:04:58 pm »
This card should be either limited to fire or to fire and earth.
Fire Monolith is Fire only.
Earth Monolith is Earth only
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg311579#msg311579
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2011, 05:33:01 am »
You guys, AM is just from entropy... what about the other 11 elements? how do they counter a free boost to creatures. If there's gonna be a boost in a stat, there should be a cost (even if it means not generating quanta for the first turn). Having a pillar ability is good enough in itself. I've kinda changed my mind. It's above average, slightly under OP :P

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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg311736#msg311736
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2011, 03:59:04 pm »
You guys, AM is just from entropy... what about the other 11 elements? how do they counter a free boost to creatures. If there's gonna be a boost in a stat, there should be a cost (even if it means not generating quanta for the first turn). Having a pillar ability is good enough in itself. I've kinda changed my mind. It's above average, slightly under OP :P
You can kill the creature? That seems like an obvious answer. (Light doesn't have any CC does that make creatures OP? No.)
Do note that there is a cost of 1 quanta compared to a pillar|tower. That is a significant difference. (This means quanta production is delayed by a full turn.)
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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg313515#msg313515
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2011, 04:37:26 am »
Please, I'm saying things about the upped one. There's no cost for that.

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Re: Fire Monolith | Fire Monolith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23495.msg313518#msg313518
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2011, 04:39:19 am »
Please, I'm saying things about the upped one. There's no cost for that.
Not gaining a quanta when played is a cost. It delays play other cards by a full turn due to lack of quanta compared to a tower and it is still a 1 quanta gained/lost difference from the vanilla tower.
Please, I know what I am talking about.
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