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Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110856#msg1110856
« on: November 20, 2013, 11:30:58 pm »
NAME:
Echriliosis
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
6 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Put a Tick on top of your opponent's deck.
NAME:
Echriliosis
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Put an Improved Tick on top of your opponent's deck.

ART:

IDEA:
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NOTES:
Maybe you're wondering, "But what is a Tick?!" Well if you divert your attention downwards, you'll find out!

Name and cost can be changed depending on what people think.

All questions and constructive criticism welcome.
SERIES:




NAME:
Tick
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 1
TEXT:
Tick automatically comes into play when able.
Drain 1 HP from its owner and gain +0|+1 each turn.
NAME:
Improved Tick
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 3
TEXT:
Improved Tick automatically comes into play when able.
Drain 1 HP from its owner and gain +0|+1 each turn.

ART:
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NOTES:
This is not a stand alone card. It can only come about as a result of using Echriliosis. Basically just a menace to the owner is not dealt with swiftly.

By "when able", I mean when the following conditions are met:
- You have a Tick in hand
- It is your turn
- You have at least 3 :rainbow
- You are not silenced
- There is an empty field slot

The second ability is removable.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: January 27, 2014, 09:52:14 pm by eljoemo »
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110862#msg1110862
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 11:51:41 pm »
That's really expensive for an effect like that. 1 HP a turn? For the same effect you could play a rustler.

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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110865#msg1110865
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 11:57:18 pm »
I get your point and I suck at pricing and balancing. I did plan on having this drain 1 random quanta as an alternative plan. Don't forget that this wastes a draw for your opponent. Chain them and then silences for some nice hand denial.
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110868#msg1110868
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 12:06:52 am »
That's really expensive for an effect like that. 1 HP a turn? For the same effect you could play a rustler.

Rustler causes the same effect? Hmm... Don't get it. Anyway, unupped deadly poison costs only 1 quantum for 2 poison counters each turn... And can be removed only by one card. You have more options to kill tick.

On the other hand, it is an interesting idea if better balanced :)
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110892#msg1110892
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 12:44:18 am »
A rustler does 1 damage a turn, as does this card.

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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110894#msg1110894
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 12:47:54 am »
A rustler does 1 damage a turn, as does this card.

Well, rustler is on your side, not on opponent's side: "Drain 1 HP from its owner and gain +0|+1 each turn." That makes a difference. That's why I'd rather compare it to deadly poison.
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110900#msg1110900
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 12:53:01 am »
... Why does being on a different side matter?

Not a single card only has the ability to target creatures on your side. And if you're going to tell me that AoE hits opponent's side, yes, yes it does, but it doesn't hit poison, that's for sure.

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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110902#msg1110902
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 01:40:35 am »
... Why does being on a different side matter?

Not a single card only has the ability to target creatures on your side. And if you're going to tell me that AoE hits opponent's side, yes, yes it does, but it doesn't hit poison, that's for sure.
Well, the fact that it
1) drains from its owner
and
2) gets played whenever possible
actually does make an even bigger difference...

Consider the nightmare combo!

This would make a devastating :life - :darkness denial deck possible

Play this, wait a turn, play nightmare on it... Your opponent will then be hit with massive number of drainers, on top of the nightmare drain, will get a large amount of quanta sucked down in the process, and to top it off will be unable to stop the drain unless they can kill or sac the ticks in time...

In actuality, this may be a little too powerful.

I would suggest dropping the quanta cost on the tick a bit. Even then, it may be a little too potent... What if instead of auto draining, you made it a 1|1 that attacks its owner and gains the HP if the attack succeeds? That way shields and AM could work as counters.

As an alternative deck idea, you could put these into a tick bow and use SoSac and Catapult.

At any rate, once it gets balanced, I think it will be an awesome card.
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110907#msg1110907
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 01:51:00 am »
Tick is not a separate card, making it extremely hard to obtain it for yourself and nightmare it :D

Unless you play one, then nightmare the one he plays.

Still, besides the initial drain, it drains health not quanta.

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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110908#msg1110908
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 01:53:33 am »
Tick is not a separate card, making it extremely hard to obtain it for yourself and nightmare it :D

Unless you play one, then nightmare the one he plays.

Still, besides the initial drain, it drains health not quanta.
It does... well technically, it doesn't "DRAIN" quanta, but it does force the opponent to use their quanta:

Quote
Tick automatically comes into play when able.

Unless I'm reading that wrong, it means that the player will automatically cast it if they have enough quanta.
Since the cost is :rainbow ... it is basically equivalent to draining 3 quanta per tick placed (unless their field is full or they are silenced).
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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110912#msg1110912
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 02:02:06 am »
... it forces them to use it for a negative effect, in other words, draining it.

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Re: Echriliosis | Echriliosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52519.msg1110918#msg1110918
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 02:06:51 am »
Yes, exactly.
Whether the glass is half full or half empty is a moot point. It is always filled to the brim. It is only a matter of by what. The real question is: What fills you?
If your zombie plan is
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You might be a unix junky

 

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