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Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380931#msg380931
« on: August 16, 2011, 05:32:46 pm »
NAME:
Earthwyrm
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
7 :earth
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|4
TEXT:
Adapt: Adapts to poison after two turns.
:earth :earth : Devour
NAME:
Earthwyrm
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
7 :earth
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|5
TEXT:
Adapt: Adapts to poison after one turn.
:earth :earth : Devour
ART:
Flayne
IDEA:
Rutarete, Flayne
NOTES:
Adapt means that poison won't affect it.
This idea came up during the Team Card Design competition. I have decided to develop it further.
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« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 06:53:57 am by Rutarete »
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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380937#msg380937
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 06:01:09 pm »
I think the cost should be drastically increased. Elite Otyugh for a cost that is lower with one, gets the same HP as the basic Earthwyrm, but less attack with four and no adaption.
I would make it 10 :earth | 10 :earth or somewhere like that. This card is very powerful.

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380938#msg380938
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 06:03:02 pm »
I think the cost should be drastically increased. Elite Otyugh for a cost that is lower with one, gets the same HP as the basic Earthwyrm, but less attack with four and no adaption.
I would make it 10 :earth | 10 :earth or somewhere like that. This card is very powerful.
10 is way to much  :o
A tiny raise of about 1 should do it since it does have more hp, but then again, the devour cost is higher then otys. So i could be fine. But the adaption to poison is enough to warrant plus one to current cost.
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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380956#msg380956
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 07:23:09 pm »
It has as much potential to devour as an Elite Oty unupped and is partially immune to poison? (I assume 'adapt' means poison no longer hurts it.)

I'd remove Devour, or lower stats to 0 | 4 and 0 | 5.

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380959#msg380959
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 07:29:46 pm »
It has as much potential to devour as an Elite Oty unupped and is partially immune to poison? (I assume 'adapt' means poison no longer hurts it.)

I'd remove Devour, or lower stats to 0 | 4 and 0 | 5.
Right about Adapt. I'll put it in the notes.
As for the suggestion, I think it's too much like Oty that way. What do you think comparing the current to the previous version?
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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380973#msg380973
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 09:18:39 pm »
It has as much potential to devour as an Elite Oty unupped and is partially immune to poison? (I assume 'adapt' means poison no longer hurts it.)

I'd remove Devour, or lower stats to 0 | 4 and 0 | 5.
Right about Adapt. I'll put it in the notes.
As for the suggestion, I think it's too much like Oty that way. What do you think comparing the current to the previous version?
Well, maybe 10 :Earth | 10 :earth is much, but a bit of cost increase would be all right...
Other than that, I think it's a great card. I'd use it.

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg380975#msg380975
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 09:25:16 pm »
@Frostguard glad you like it.

Images are being updated. The cost is now 7 | 7.

New images are up - surprisingly, photobucket replaced the image code by itself  :o
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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg381001#msg381001
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 11:41:50 pm »
@Frostguard glad you like it.

Images are being updated. The cost is now 7 | 7.

New images are up - surprisingly, photobucket replaced the image code by itself  :o
Adaptation to poison is simply brilliant. I keep taking those mostly unnecessary Momentum cards because Thorn Carapaces and Spine Carapaces (and Scorpions) can mess my Quintessenced Otyugh up. Momentum would not be needed with this card. Fire Shield is all right, as long as there aren't creatures with ridiculously high HP to devour, and as I use Boneyards, there's no problem with food for the Otyugh (although I don't really think a Skeleton would be too tasteful... :D).
So, simply, this card would be a great relief.

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg381003#msg381003
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 11:50:14 pm »
Cards images still say 6 :earth, but tables say 7. ^^;

I'm still somewhat concerned about the cost. A 0 | 5 creature with  :underworld :underworld : Devour should cost 6  :underworld (Elite Otyugh without upgrade bonus) Add four attack, and that +4 more to the cost, which totals out at 10  :underworld .

What if Devour didn't give the stat boost?

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg381012#msg381012
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 12:24:24 am »
Or just give it 2|4 || 3|5. Decrease the attack some, or the defense, or something.
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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg381016#msg381016
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2011, 12:29:56 am »
I think the cost being :gravity would make more sense and would help balance the card with Otyugh. Right now I feel like this is superior to Otyugh in many ways, not the least of which is the fact that :earth has in-element Plate/Heavy Armor to make devouring easier. The poison adaption bypasses one of Otyugh's biggest weaknesses (in my opinion). By changing the skill to consume :gravity would strengthen the already strong bond between :earth and :gravity. If the 7 :earth cost and :earth :earth devour are going to remain then I think, like others have said, the attack should be reduced to 0.

What if Devour didn't give the stat boost?
I like this idea, it would balance out the already higher Atk|HP and still allow it to get...hungrier? through Plate or Heavy Armor.

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Re: Earthwyrm | Earthwyrm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29948.msg381037#msg381037
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2011, 01:30:58 am »
Cards images still say 6 :earth, but tables say 7. ^^;
Odd. It shows 7 for me. I'll fix that.

I'm still somewhat concerned about the cost. A 0 | 5 creature with  :underworld :underworld : Devour should cost 6  :underworld (Elite Otyugh without upgrade bonus) Add four attack, and that +4 more to the cost, which totals out at 10  :underworld .

What if Devour didn't give the stat boost?
Hmmm - I think I prefer the below quote over 0 attack. I'm reluctant to reduce the stats to almost completely mirror  Artimies7 suggests -2|-1 for both upped and unupped. The -2 attack warrants -2 to the cost, and I think the -1 defense is worth more of a lower cost. What do you say to that?

Or just give it 2|4 || 3|5. Decrease the attack some, or the defense, or something.
I think the cost being :gravity would make more sense and would help balance the card with Otyugh. Right now I feel like this is superior to Otyugh in many ways, not the least of which is the fact that :earth has in-element Plate/Heavy Armor to make devouring easier. The poison adaption bypasses one of Otyugh's biggest weaknesses (in my opinion). By changing the skill to consume :gravity would strengthen the already strong bond between :earth and :gravity. If the 7 :earth cost and :earth :earth devour are going to remain then I think, like others have said, the attack should be reduced to 0.

What if Devour didn't give the stat boost?
I like this idea, it would balance out the already higher Atk|HP and still allow it to get...hungrier? through Plate or Heavy Armor.
I plan on keeping it completely Earth. Oty has its own niche in gravity, which Earthwyrm would 'cramp', so to say.
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