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Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109544#msg1109544
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:17:58 am »
NAME:
Earthen Stronghold
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
5 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Allies will now use burrow to evade targeting and will deal +1 damage while burrowed.
:earth : Give an ally ' :earth : Burrow'.
NAME:
Earthen Sanctum
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
4 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Allies will now use burrow to evade targeting and will deal +1 damage while burrowed.
:earth : Give an ally ' :earth : Burrow'.

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The idea is that creatures you own that have the burrow skill ready will automatically use it if an enemy spell or effect targets them.
This is almost identical to the shard of freedom concept except that
1) It applies to creatures that have the burrow skill rather than airborne trait
2) The creature must have the skill "ready" for use
3) The creature will end up burrowed after the evasion (preventing further targeting and halving its attack)

If multiple copies of this card are in play, the damage bonus WILL stack (unlike nightfall which doesn't)

When this card's active ability is used, it will overwrite the target's current active skill and replace it with the burrow skill.

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109571#msg1109571
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 05:57:04 am »
Interesting idea :) Also gave you +Rep for your own image :)
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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109600#msg1109600
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 01:46:32 pm »
I think you should have a chance for the creatures to use burrow to evade (maybe 25% like SoFr), and maybe lower to cost to 3/2 in this case.

I'm not really that good in card balancing, but I'm trying to compare it to SoFr, which can't give "airborne" to creatures. But there is another fact: there aren't a lot of creatures with the skill "burrow", while a lot of creatures in the game have "airborne".

I guess I'll just wait and see what experts say, that's just my opinion. Great art by the way :)

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109627#msg1109627
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 05:07:21 pm »
I think you should have a chance for the creatures to use burrow to evade (maybe 25% like SoFr), and maybe lower to cost to 3/2 in this case.

I'm not really that good in card balancing, but I'm trying to compare it to SoFr, which can't give "airborne" to creatures. But there is another fact: there aren't a lot of creatures with the skill "burrow", while a lot of creatures in the game have "airborne".

I guess I'll just wait and see what experts say, that's just my opinion. Great art by the way :)
I was debating making it a chance to evade like SoFr, but I went with this for a few reasons... namely, it only helps creatures that have burrow readied which means that the opponent will always get 1 turn to take a shot at things you summon, whereas SoFr protects them at all times.
... and it was also very hard to fit that on the card ;)
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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109629#msg1109629
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 05:13:20 pm »
isn't the first part redundant? (as it is just describing what burrow is)
it's an interesting idea, (basically an earth Anubis), and as anubis is more expensive and requieres 2 elements, i would say that this should (halve +1) the attack of your burrowed creatures (except those with 0 attack (or not))

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109630#msg1109630
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2013, 05:18:28 pm »
isn't the first part redundant? (as it is just describing what burrow is)
No, the card's effect is that if you have a creature that has the burrow ability, it will automatically burrow if the opponent tries to target it.

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109634#msg1109634
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2013, 05:33:34 pm »
isn't the first part redundant? (as it is just describing what burrow is)
No, the card's effect is that if you have a creature that has the burrow ability, it will automatically burrow if the opponent tries to target it.

oh, yea.. it was a bit confusing...
that would just make the card even more broken, my balancing recommendation was said above

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109637#msg1109637
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2013, 05:42:49 pm »
isn't the first part redundant? (as it is just describing what burrow is)
No, the card's effect is that if you have a creature that has the burrow ability, it will automatically burrow if the opponent tries to target it.

oh, yea.. it was a bit confusing...
that would just make the card even more broken, my balancing recommendation was said above
As much as it would seem it is broken, it actually isn't, because:
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there aren't a lot of creatures with the skill "burrow", while a lot of creatures in the game have "airborne".
and
Quote from: OdinVanguard
it only helps creatures that have burrow readied which means that the opponent will always get 1 turn to take a shot at things you summon, whereas SoFr protects them at all times

So I think it's quite balanced, but as I said, I'm not really an expert.

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109651#msg1109651
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2013, 06:35:41 pm »
The real advantage to this card is that you can leave your creatures unburrowed without worrying that the opponent will kill them by CC.
So you could play shriekers and just let them sit there unburrowed, dealing full damage. If your opponent tries to shoot them, they autoburrow.

Basically, it forces the opponent to waste a targeted effect in order to force your creatures to burrow.

...Of course, just like with SoFr, they would not be protected from mass targeting like plague or firestorm, so there would still be reasons to burrow them proactively.
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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109659#msg1109659
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 07:33:32 pm »
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there aren't a lot of creatures with the skill "burrow"
i think there are at least, currently 4 creatures with burrow (more than enough to fill a deck)
also, this card gives burrow to any creature you want

and
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it only helps creatures that have burrow readied which means that the opponent will always get 1 turn to take a shot at things you summon, whereas SoFr protects them at all times

it doesn't just do that, it also buffs them and has the power to give burrow to any creature, while SoFr doesn't give "airborne" and just gives an evade chance, i think this card is closer to Anubis than SoFr, but it's actually a fusion of both


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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109661#msg1109661
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 07:51:38 pm »
Anubis doesn't lobotomize your creatures, and SoFr also includes shield bypassing and +50% damage.

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Re: Earthen Stronghold | Earthen Sanctum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52360.msg1109664#msg1109664
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 07:56:49 pm »
Anubis doesn't lobotomize your creatures, and SoFr also includes shield bypassing and +50% damage.

it's still to versatile, maybe if other element was required or the " :earth target creature gains burrow" part was removed it would be ok

 

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