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Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg351552#msg351552
« on: June 15, 2011, 02:48:45 am »
NAME:
Divergent Flow
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Your Mark transmutes into a Quantum Mark.
NAME:
Divergent Flow
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Your Mark transmutes into a Nova Mark.
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A Quantum Mark, like a Quantum Pillar, produces 3 random quanta at the end of each turn.
A Nova Mark, like a Nova, produces 1 quanta of each element at the end of each turn.
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg351570#msg351570
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 03:47:07 am »
Why would i pay 2 :water instead of playing a quantum pillar?
Also, a nova as a mark is 12 times as powerful as a regular mark. I don't really think it should be on a stick.
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg351655#msg351655
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 12:45:42 pm »
Why would i pay 2 :water instead of playing a quantum pillar?
Marks can't be destroyed.

And, well, I have to agree on the Nova Mark part, it's way OP. Make it 1 :water with the same effect as the unnuped version.
Nice card btw. And it should be stackable, imo.

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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg351702#msg351702
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2011, 02:50:27 pm »
That was my original idea, but before you start jumping to conclusions about a Nova mark being OP, think about this: in order to cast (Elite) Divergent Flow, you need to have 5 :water quanta.   That's not a small investment for a rainbow -- your only real bet of getting 5 :water quanta consistently would be a :watermark PSNbow, and right away, you're either wasting your mark or you're relying on :water for some other significant contribution to your rainbow -- and as we all know, :water cards are pretty much universally suboptimal.

And once you've done all that in order to gain the Nova mark, it's still only 1 of each element per turn -- it doesn't actually let you cast any given card that much faster, unless for some reason you're really into Tower Shields.  I maintain that the Nova mark is balanced.
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg352034#msg352034
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 01:13:14 am »
That was my original idea, but before you start jumping to conclusions about a Nova mark being OP, think about this: in order to cast (Elite) Divergent Flow, you need to have 5 :water quanta.   That's not a small investment for a rainbow -- your only real bet of getting 5 :water quanta consistently would be a :watermark PSNbow, and right away, you're either wasting your mark or you're relying on :water for some other significant contribution to your rainbow -- and as we all know, :water cards are pretty much universally suboptimal.

And once you've done all that in order to gain the Nova mark, it's still only 1 of each element per turn -- it doesn't actually let you cast any given card that much faster, unless for some reason you're really into Tower Shields.  I maintain that the Nova mark is balanced.
On top of that, it's slower as well - you can't stack these like you can with Supernova and it takes 1 turn before you actually can use the quanta you gain - Nova and Supernova on the other hand give you instant quanta.

The unupgraded version seems weak though - perhaps lower it's cost to 1 :water ?

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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg352095#msg352095
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 03:26:54 am »
That might be a good idea.
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg356959#msg356959
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 03:22:34 pm »
Done -- the unupped version now costs 1 :water .   Any further feedback?
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg356965#msg356965
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 03:37:30 pm »
What would those marks look like?
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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg356968#msg356968
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 03:45:37 pm »
Dunno, I'm not an artist.  Like, at all.  Notice how all of my cards are from Wikimedia?  That's how not an artist I am.  :)

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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg359927#msg359927
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2011, 11:23:37 pm »
E, listen, this is me talking. Nova Mark is horribly overpowered, it just is. Remember, Im the guy that made Quicksilver Creatures for Other.

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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg359932#msg359932
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2011, 11:45:58 pm »
So if you have this unupped and water pends, it alternates betwen producing :water and random quanta every turn?

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Re: Divergent Flow | Divergent Flow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27614.msg359936#msg359936
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2011, 11:59:54 pm »
You know, I never thought of pends when I wrote the Nova mark mechanic.......that might be...problematic.
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