Dimensional Striker | Elite Dimensional Striker

[Uppercut]

@Uppercut?
So do you agree that increasing this to
Cost 4|3
Attack 3
HP 3
Effects: Immaterial, Ambush
would be balanced?

No. I've given it thought and its a deceptive trick. It isn't that ambush actually gets worse because of immaterial. Think of it like this.
Ambush is worth +1 from what I can tell.
Immaterial is worth +2 from what I can tell.
Ambush has no drawbacks under any circumstances.
Immaterial's only drawback is that you can't use positive spells on a creature.
Fractal is a positive effect.
Ambush gets better with fractal.
Immaterial stays the same.

Edit: It'd be like making creatures with Dive cost more because of PU.

[ZephyrPhantom]

@Uppercut?
So do you agree that increasing this to
Cost 4|3
Attack 3
HP 3
Effects: Immaterial, Ambush
would be balanced?

Oldtrees, since you address Uppercut with a ?, I assume you mean everyone.

I really don't like this change because it makes the card less rushable with other ambushers.

Also, note 1 person has said OP, another has said UP,  and 2 of us have said it is balanced. Judging from just that it seems balanced.  Also low cost makes it a good creature in rainbow decks.

Although I'd prefer lowering the cost by 1  as a buff, raising the attack by 1 would also work as well.

[OldTrees]

@Uppercut?
So do you agree that increasing this to
Cost 4|3
Attack 3
HP 3
Effects: Immaterial, Ambush
would be balanced?

No. I've given it thought and its a deceptive trick. It isn't that ambush actually gets worse because of immaterial. Think of it like this.
Ambush is worth +1 from what I can tell.
Immaterial is worth +2 from what I can tell.
Ambush has no drawbacks under any circumstances.
Immaterial's only drawback is that you can't use positive spells on a creature.
Fractal is a positive effect.
Ambush gets better with fractal.
Immaterial stays the same.

Why do you insist on static values? 

Immaterial is valuable
Higher threat creatures get more value from Immaterial due to the increased desire to destroy them
Lower threat creatures get less value from Immaterial due to the decreased desire to destroy them

Ambush is valuable
Cheap Ambushers get greater value from Ambush due to increased Fractal Synergy hence higher average number of Ambushers
Costly Ambushers get lesser value for Ambush due to decreased Fractal Synergy hence lower average number of Ambushers

Immaterial and Ambush is more valuable than Immaterial but less valuable than Ambush
This is due to Immaterial cutting off Fractal's synergy causing the value of Ambush to decrease and with it the threat value of the creature and with that the value of Immaterial. You can view it as two conflicting parts of the card like Virus' attack vs its ability.

I do not see
0<Immaterial<Immaterial Ambusher<Ambusher
as deceptive.

I personally believe it is balanced as is but I trust your judgement Uppercut.

[Uppercut]

Because with no constant we can say any ability costs any cost we want it to? Immortal and Phase Dragon both cost immaterial at 2 and their threat density is almost as far apart on the spectrum as you can get. Why would ambush change this?

Edit: Ambush has no effect on immaterial, and immaterial only makes ambush worse in the same way it makes other creatures worse.

[OldTrees]

Because with no constant we can say any ability costs any cost we want it to? Immortal and Phase Dragon both cost immaterial at 2 and their threat density is almost as far apart on the spectrum as you can get. Why would ambush change this?

The value of Immortal depends on threat value (Attack + Offensive Skill Value). Creatures that are more threatening would be targeted by more control than creatures that are less threatening. Based on Immortal and Phase Dragon I theorize that the value of Immortal is equal to1 plus half the threat value (rounded up).
Immortal
Static Value = 4 (attack) +0 (0<HP<6) -1 (Aether Bonus) = 3
Variable Value = 3 (1 + 4 x 1/2) = 3
Balanced Casting Cost = 3 (Static Value) +3 (Variable Value) = 6
Elite Immortal
Static Value = 5 (attack) +0 (0<HP<6) -1 (Aether Bonus) = 4
Variable Value = 4 (1 + 5 x 1/2) = 4
Balanced Casting Cost = 4 (Static Value) +4 (Variable Value) -1 (Upgrade) = 7
Phase Dragon
Static Value = 8 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8 ) -1 (Aether Bonus) = 8
Variable Value = 5 (1 + 8 x 1/2) = 5
Balanced Casting Cost = 8 (Static Value) +5 (Variable Value) = 13
Elite Phase Dragon
Static Value = 10 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8 ) -1 (Aether Bonus) = 10
Variable Value = 6 (1 + 10 x 1/2) = 6
Balanced Casting Cost = 10 (Static Value) +6 (Variable Value) -2 (Upgrade) = 14

I think you may find that Phase Dragon and Immortal do not agree on a constant value for immaterial but rather for a variable value dependent on threat value (attack in their case)

[Uppercut]

So using that formula for immortal
1 for attack, 1 for ambush, .5 for immortal, =2.5 - 1= 1.5 = 2.
2 and 1 seem fine for costs I guess but something about immortality on something that costs 2 and 1 seems way wrong on a gut feeling level.

[OldTrees]

I will reduce the costs to 2|1 then.
It may seem strange for such a weak immaterial thing to exist but it is a creature for the the risk adverse.

[ZephyrPhantom]

I will reduce the costs to 2|1 then.
It may seem strange for such a weak immaterial thing to exist but it is a creature for the the risk adverse.

It would actually make sense for an immaterial entity like this to exist, because every CCG has some kind of weaker entity in it all it's major domain types.

[The_Mormegil]

I like this card... I like much less the rest of the serie though.

[OldTrees]

I like this card... I like much less the rest of the serie though.

Why? (to both parts) How can we improve them?

[TheCrazyMango]

hmmm. i really wanna say op for the upgraded, and unupped is really strong. i think immaterial adds +1 to the cost imo, and its deals damage in groups, so total cost +1 for both, maybe more.

[OldTrees]

hmmm. i really wanna say op for the upgraded, and unupped is really strong. i think immaterial adds +1 to the cost imo, and its deals damage in groups, so total cost +1 for both, maybe more.

I would like to compare it to Phase Spider|Phase Recluse

Phase Spider vs Dimensional Striker
Cost: 3 vs 2
Attack: 4 vs 1+ambush
HP: 2 vs 3 Immaterial

Phase Recluse vs Elite Dimensional Striker
Cost: 4 vs 1
Attack: 7 vs 1+ambush
HP: 2 vs 3 Immaterial

Best case comparison
6 Phase Recluses vs 6 Elite Dimensional Strikers
Cost: 24 vs 6
Damage per turn: 24 vs 21
Verdict: Elite Dimensional Striker

Worst case comparison
1 Phase Recluse vs 1 Elite Dimensional Striker
Cost: 4 vs 1
Damage per turn: 7 vs 1
Verdict: Phase Recluse

The question is what is the average number of Dimensional strikers fielded per turn per game?