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[OldTrees]

Don't put immaterial on a two drop.

Why not? Immaterial allows a cheaper Ambusher.

[Uppercut]

I'm assuming ambush has a value, so making a 1 or 2 drop with ambush would imply that immaterial either has no value or has negative value.

[OldTrees]

I'm assuming ambush has a value, so making a 1 or 2 drop with ambush would imply that immaterial either has no value or has negative value.

Ambush has a value that is relative to the average number of ambushers on the field per turn.

Material creatures can be fractal'ed thus increasing the average number of ambushers. The amount of change depends on the casting cost of the creature. Higher casting cost creatures have smaller fractal'ed armies than cheaper ones.

Immaterial creatures cannot be fractal'ed thus decreasing the average number of ambushers.

Immaterial has a value dependent on the threat value of the creature it is on.

End result
Threat Value: 1 (attack) +1 (Ambush[Immaterial]) =2
Ideal Casting Cost: 1 (attack) +0 (HP value) +2(Immortal[2]) +1 (Ambush[Immaterial]) -1 (Aether bonus)=3

[grindpower]

I'm assuming ambush has a value, so making a 1 or 2 drop with ambush would imply that immaterial either has no value or has negative value.

It gives negative value because it prevents fractal.

[Uppercut]

I'm assuming ambush has a value, so making a 1 or 2 drop with ambush would imply that immaterial either has no value or has negative value.

It gives negative value because it prevents fractal.

This is awful logic. Should Phase Dragon cost less because it can't be fractalled? Should Immortal cost less because it can't be fractalled?

[grindpower]

Shame this can't be Fractal'd. It just makes it weaker.

It does make it weaker. But is it weak? If so how much should I increase the attack? 1? 2?

Increase by 2 and up the cost by 1 for both.

[OldTrees]

As posted above:
Immaterial changes the situation in a way relevant to Ambush thus lowering Ambushes value in this case to a small non 0 value.
Ambush increases the threat value of this creature which causes Immaterial to have a small, non 0 value for this creature.

Uppercut do you agree with Grindpower that increasing the attack by 2 and cost by 1 would be balanced?

[ZephyrPhantom]

Shame this can't be Fractal'd. It just makes it weaker.

It does make it weaker. But is it weak? If so how much should I increase the attack? 1? 2?

Increase by 2 and up the cost by 1 for both.

I really don't like the idea of buffing this card because all ambushers support each other.... like I said, make it cheaper if need be, but it looks perfectly fine, especially considering the fact Oldtrees put up the formula.

[Uppercut]

As posted above:
Immaterial changes the situation in a way relevant to Ambush thus lowering Ambushes value in this case to a small non 0 value.
Ambush increases the threat value of this creature which causes Immaterial to have a small, non 0 value for this creature.

In a way that is no more relevant than any other creature. All creatures get better when fractalled. In fact if ambush creatures generally have lower attack than their non-ambushing counterpart its usually worse to fractal them.

[OldTrees]

Ambushers get an above average benefit from fractal (see what Ambush does for details)
2 Ambushers deal 1 extra damage
3 Ambushers deal 3 extra damage
4 Ambushers deal 6 extra damage
5 Ambushers deal 10 extra damage
7 Ambushers deal 15 extra damage
...

[Uppercut]

Ambushers get an above average benefit from fractal (see what Ambush does for details)

While this is true you'd need to consider how they size up to other creatures with the same cost. It takes x amount of them, where x is their attack difference+1 to get ahead in damage. These stats compared to any other 3 means that in most cases you wouldn't want to fractal this anyway. If thats with a drawback on cost I think you're way overvaluing ambush, however since fractal is stupidly good with all creatures ambush creatures shouldn't be treated differently in regards to it. Fractal + Ambush + immaterial creates a weird conundrum.

[OldTrees]

@Uppercut?
So do you agree that increasing this to
Cost 4|3
Attack 3
HP 3
Effects: Immaterial, Ambush
would be balanced?