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Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078001#msg1078001
« on: June 07, 2013, 05:17:40 am »
NAME:
Dilatant Shield
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
3 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: Reduces damage by N. Affects any source that deals more than N damage.
N = Stack size times 2.
NAME:
Bubble Shield
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: Reflects N damage. Affects any source that deals more than N damage.
N = Stack size.

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This shield stops damage from ALL damage sources (including spell, poison, and permanent / non-specified).

The shield also stacks, increasing the damage blocked / reflected with each stack.

However, the shield only triggers for damage sources that deal more damage than the shield can block.

So, for instance assume your opponent has an upped and an unupped frog, if you had 1 bubble shield, both have their damage reduced by 2… so they deal 1+3 = 4 damage… now if you had 2 shields stacked, only the upped frog gets blocked (for 4 damage). Once again only 4 damage gets through. BUT if you had 3 stacks neither would get blocked and all 7 damage would go through… So it is important to play them judiciously based on what your opponent has out!

Lastly, the upgraded shield REFLECTS the damage rather than just reducing it. But it also scales more slowly (which may be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it)

I'm still trying to think of a better name for upgraded shield... suggestions welcome.

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« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 06:56:54 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078014#msg1078014
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 07:44:53 am »
An interesting idea, I think.
Does the upgraded one reflects the damage to the player or to the creature which attacked?
What happens if one plays an unupgraded shield and an upgraded shield afterwards (or vice versa)?
Perhaps the cost of the ugraded one is a bit low.
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078021#msg1078021
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 09:32:22 am »
An interesting idea, good job!

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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078130#msg1078130
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 05:14:45 pm »
An interesting idea, I think.
Does the upgraded one reflects the damage to the player or to the creature which attacked?
What happens if one plays an unupgraded shield and an upgraded shield afterwards (or vice versa)?
Perhaps the cost of the ugraded one is a bit low.
The upgraded and unupgraded are 2 different types of shields, so playing one then the other would cause the first to be lost.
E.g. Upgraded only stacks with upgraded and unupgraded only stacks with unupgraded.

...Balancing this one is tricky, especially the upgraded version since it is quite unique. I can up the cost to 3 though, if it seems to low.
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078147#msg1078147
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 06:27:22 pm »
Great idea, very strategic! In the example in the notes - opponent has an unused frog? (I'm pretty sure you meant unupped) :))

If an OTK doesn't have PC against this, ragequits will be many.
So will this be the same situation as Psion + Momentum vs reflective shield?
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078157#msg1078157
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 06:56:09 pm »
Great idea, very strategic! In the example in the notes - opponent has an unused frog? (I'm pretty sure you meant unupped) :))

If an OTK doesn't have PC against this, ragequits will be many.
So will this be the same situation as Psion + Momentum vs reflective shield?
Unused frog you say?...Drat... Foiled by my own spell checker... lol. It does that alot i've noticed.

I almost forgot about momentum psion ref shield actaully... I always thought this was just a glitch that would get fixed whenever Zanz got around to it... In my opinion, momentum should probably bypass altogether (in both cases).
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078241#msg1078241
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 08:54:40 pm »
This is kind of confusing... And the upped is ridiculously OP, unless you mean it only reflects spells.

Even then, compare to jade shield.

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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1078272#msg1078272
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 10:59:28 pm »
How about naming it Water Mirror? Great idea for the card! Also, if you want alternative art for the name Water Mirror, it shouldn't be hard to find great images of reflections in water.

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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1079234#msg1079234
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2013, 03:23:42 am »
This is kind of confusing... And the upped is ridiculously OP, unless you mean it only reflects spells.

Even then, compare to jade shield.
Jade shield would reflect ALL spell damage. This card only reflects at most N. So to deflect a lightning bolt with this, you would need 5 of these in play (5 cards and 10 :water quanta) compared to a single Jade shield ( 7 :life and 1 card). So if it were limited to spells only, it would be pretty severely UP I think.

As it is here, I do agree the ability could be quite powerful, but note that the more damage you set the shield to reflect, the higher the threshold for zero reflection. I.e. if you make it reflect high damage to deal with heavy hitters, you leave yourself wide open to smaller attackers.

For instance, if you wanted to use it maxed out (6 points) to stop an unburrowed shrieker, as soon as the shrieker burrows, the shield would become useless.

I do see that the upped cost may be a bit low still so I will be bumping the cost on it.

To put balancing in perspective, take Titanium shield. It blocks 2 damage for 4 :earth . This shield upped reflects 1 damage (probably be 3 or 4 :water ). In terms of damage advantage, 1 reflected point is worth roughly 2 points of reduction. So they are on par there... But, whereas titanium shield can block creatures with 1 attack power, this shield would let them right through.
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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1079240#msg1079240
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2013, 04:10:55 am »
Me gusta. Also, the name of the shield made me do a dictionary search. Not often that happens. :P

In terms of power, seems pretty legit. Except, perhaps, some FGs would be HIGHLY abusable with this. Don't think that's that much of an issue though, as we already have cards which abuse certain different gods.

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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1079286#msg1079286
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2013, 09:25:01 am »
I'm not sure, I like the card, understood everything, then your explanation made me wonder: how come 5 upped shields can counter Lightning? 5 upped shields mean than N is 5, and, given that 5 isn't more than 5, it won't reflect it. May it be that you meant "N or more"? Because, if it isn't like that, it means that you'll never be able to completely stop the damage.

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Re: Dilatant Shield | Bubble Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49720.msg1079298#msg1079298
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2013, 11:19:33 am »
The cost can be dropped IMO. Also, why does it affect spells? Anyone else think that's kind of weird for the unupped?

 

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