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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg458104#msg458104
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 04:39:20 am »
Quote from: Naesala on February 09, 2012, 04:35:11 am
Are mark's unaffected?
Marks are affected.

I'm considering taking the change to 2 random quanta.  It'd hurt Rainbows more too and screw up HB/FGs, now that I think about it.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg458279#msg458279
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 06:13:32 pm »
DEATH to the false gods! lol
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg458296#msg458296
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 07:15:19 pm »
no me gusta. too wide of an impact and i liked the first "make it produce alternate quanta" type card i saw when it was novel, each time since, less so.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg458376#msg458376
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 12:41:20 am »
How about, for the unupgraded version, it affects your quanta sources only.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460056#msg460056
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am »
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460059#msg460059
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am »
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460062#msg460062
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 02:26:15 am »
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
It also limits Rainbows.  Also, it doesn't shut down Monos per se.  There's always the chance that they will generate the right quanta.  Maybe even two of it.  It's all probability.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460079#msg460079
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 02:58:00 am »
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:26:15 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
It also limits Rainbows.  Also, it doesn't shut down Monos per se.  There's always the chance that they will generate the right quanta.  Maybe even two of it.  It's all probability.
two random quanta. That's about 1/6th of each quanta. For a mono deck to have their quanta intake cut by 5/6ths is quite devastating.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460085#msg460085
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 03:07:58 am »
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:58:00 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:26:15 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
It also limits Rainbows.  Also, it doesn't shut down Monos per se.  There's always the chance that they will generate the right quanta.  Maybe even two of it.  It's all probability.
two random quanta. That's about 1/6th of each quanta. For a mono deck to have their quanta intake cut by 5/6ths is quite devastating.
Well, again, it hurts rainbows too.  It kills SNovas and Immol.  Quantam Pillar/Towers are already troublesome as is, and the quanta flow gets cut as well.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460088#msg460088
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 03:14:08 am »
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 03:07:58 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:58:00 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:26:15 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
It also limits Rainbows.  Also, it doesn't shut down Monos per se.  There's always the chance that they will generate the right quanta.  Maybe even two of it.  It's all probability.
two random quanta. That's about 1/6th of each quanta. For a mono deck to have their quanta intake cut by 5/6ths is quite devastating.
Well, again, it hurts rainbows too.  It kills SNovas and Immol.  Quantam Pillar/Towers are already troublesome as is, and the quanta flow gets cut as well.
Mmmm, perhaps, but they don't get as hurt as regular pillars. Quantum pillars lose 33% of their effectiveness while regular pillars lose 83% of their effectiveness.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460090#msg460090
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 03:18:43 am »
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 03:14:08 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 03:07:58 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:58:00 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:26:15 am
Quote from: furballdn on February 14, 2012, 02:24:14 am
Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:18:38 am
Okay, so the unupgraded only affects the user now while the upgraded limits both.
Upped form is OP! It's able to completely shut down mono decks for two turns, which is a huge blow.
It also limits Rainbows.  Also, it doesn't shut down Monos per se.  There's always the chance that they will generate the right quanta.  Maybe even two of it.  It's all probability.
two random quanta. That's about 1/6th of each quanta. For a mono deck to have their quanta intake cut by 5/6ths is quite devastating.
Well, again, it hurts rainbows too.  It kills SNovas and Immol.  Quantum Pillar/Towers are already troublesome as is, and the quanta flow gets cut as well.
Mmmm, perhaps, but they don't get as hurt as regular pillars. Quantum pillars lose 33% of their effectiveness while regular pillars lose 83% of their effectiveness.
And Quantum Pillars aren't as effective as other pillars either.
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Re: Diffraction Grate | Diffraction Grate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36421.msg460092#msg460092
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2012, 03:19:53 am »
They are not as effective, but mono decks with mono pillars still suffer way more than any quantum tower rainbow.
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