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Devil's Sanction | Devil's Sanction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423514#msg423514
« on: November 11, 2011, 02:27:21 am »
NAME:
Devil's Sanction
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Causes quanta pools to be shared for two turns.
NAME:
Devil's Sanction
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Causes quanta pools to be shared for two turns.
ART:
Unknown (Original Picture (http://bit.ly/t55peR))
IDEA:
srm359
NOTES:
This card was originally intended to be light for reasons later on explained/developed.

Devil's Sanction is a two-sided card - It could be the reason you win, or the reason your opponent just ruined you (>:D).

Whomever plays the card ultimately has the advantage, may that be a small one. (<-- Related directly to the math of this card)

It has counters that are obvious (Sanctuary (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Sanctuary)) && its other weaknesses/"card preventions" (Black Hole (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Hole))

 :light Sanctuary: Totally prevents the other player from using quanta from the opposing pool.

:gravity Black Hole: Black Hole hurts both sides when used - you are essentially stopping yourself from using your opponents quanta.

But, it also has its strengths (Mindgate (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Mindgate))

 :aether Mindgate: Taking cards from your opponents deck is so helpful. Being granted the ability to play cards you deck usually cannot is amazing. Mindgate helped you out in that regard already, but now you won't have to worry about spending your precious quanta for it.

There also cards like Discord (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Discord) that can be either a strength or weakness.

 :entropy Discord:Spreading around your opponents quanta might give you the opportunity to play cards with quanta he/she usually does not have.

The math behind this is quite simple but could cause some confusion:
The following will be for Bone Wall (7 :death) (Assuming you played Devil's Sanction):
You (quanta owned/used)Opponent (quanta owned/used)
0/07+/7
1/16+/6
2/25+/5
3/34+/4
4/3-43+/3-4
5/3-52+/2-4
6/1-61+/1-6
7/1-70+/1-7
What this shows is how quanta is used by either you or the opponent. If you can see, the user has the advantage when the cost is cut in half and it is an odd numbered cost card.
The user only needs to pay 3 :death (if he has 3+) while the opponent needs to pay 4 :death.

Also to answer some questions you may have:

1) If you don't have half of the cost what happens?

-----If the opponent still has enough quanta to add up to the total cost for the card, the necessary quanta is taken from your opponent. The same rule applies when the opponent does not have enough quanta for a certain card, but you do.

2) What about cards like  :aether Fractal (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Fractal) and :light Miracle (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Miracle)?

-----The user of the card (Miracle || Fractal) would lose all quanta of the respective element. If you (the owner of Devil's Sanction and user of Miracle) have more than 7 :light quanta while your opponent has 10 :light , you still have to "use 7" and you lose all of your quanta while the opponent only has to use 8 and is left with 2 :light.

3) Do Pillars/Towers still generate quanta in its owner's pool?

-----Yes, and only its owner's pool.

4) Wait so you can use quanta of an element even if you don't have any of it?

-----Yes, but your opponent can as well (remember, this is a pact with the Devil ;))

SERIES:
Original Idea:
NAME:
Harmony
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
4 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Causes quanta pools to be shared for two turns.
NAME:
Sympathy
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Causes quanta pools to be shared for two turns.
ART:
IDEA:
srm359
NOTES:
When you're down on quanta why not steal your opponents? Of course you'd have to do so at a price - they get yours too. But, what if you have Sanctuary played?
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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423521#msg423521
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 03:01:41 am »
I think this picture would work.

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423524#msg423524
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 03:08:21 am »
whos gets taken from first? or do you switch quanta pools?

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423526#msg423526
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 03:15:06 am »
whos gets taken from first? or do you switch quanta pools?
It means that if you, for example, play a Tower Shield while this card is in effect, part of the 5 quanta cost might be taken from the opponent. It's not really a matter of who's first.
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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423530#msg423530
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 03:27:01 am »
Im guess im asking what is the mechanism by which the quanta from one or another is taken. is it completely random?

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423542#msg423542
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 03:43:44 am »
Im guess im asking what is the mechanism by which the quanta from one or another is taken. is it completely random?
True, also, if it's a 5 cost card, how's decided who pays 3 quanta and who pays 2?? Or it's so random maybe it could be 4 and 1 or 5 and 0??? Also, what about ultimate spells (Miracle, Fractal)?? What about Pillars/Towers?? I guess you still produce your own quanta... The idea is solid and creative, but it needs moar explanation ;D

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423664#msg423664
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 11:55:05 am »
does having sanctuary on your (or enemy) field negate the -quanta from your (or enemy) quanta pool??

why not make all card cost :rainbow so it becomes more useful?

i only see this thing's worth when you use the same quanta as your opponent, unless everything would cost :rainbow in 2 turns

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423700#msg423700
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 02:26:23 pm »
I was thinking the quanta would be taken at a random amount of yours and your opponents for each card played. Also the reason this is  :light is because I thought it would work well in conjunction with sanctuary ( :light) I can see how changing it to  :rainbow would help out many different decks, but I wasn't sure if the card should have more restrictions or less. Any more ideas?
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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423711#msg423711
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 02:44:25 pm »
I was thinking the quanta would be taken at a random amount of yours and your opponents for each card played. Also the reason this is  :light is because I thought it would work well in conjunction with sanctuary ( :light) I can see how changing it to  :rainbow would help out many different decks, but I wasn't sure if the card should have more restrictions or less. Any more ideas?
OK, so it drains randomly... Sounds really Entropy-ish. I guess if the draining was even, then it would be more "Harmonic", as the card says. Also, making a card be part of an element could be forcing a mechanic, so try to avoid thinking of that until after you decided what element the card will be into. In this case, anyways, it's OK (except for the random draining).

In the case you turn to even draining, how will be decided who gives 2 quanta, and who gives 3 (in the case of a 5 cost card)?

Also, I had some more questions:
1- Also, what about ultimate spells (Miracle, Fractal)?? They would drain both sides' quanta??
2- What about Pillars/Towers?? I guess you still produce your own quanta...
And last... I guess this is useful when you have no quanta, but I only guess that in that case it would drain every single quantum from your opponent's pool (that's cool)

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423724#msg423724
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 03:21:12 pm »
I was thinking the quanta would be taken at a random amount of yours and your opponents for each card played. Also the reason this is  :light is because I thought it would work well in conjunction with sanctuary ( :light) I can see how changing it to  :rainbow would help out many different decks, but I wasn't sure if the card should have more restrictions or less. Any more ideas?
OK, so it drains randomly... Sounds really Entropy-ish. I guess if the draining was even, then it would be more "Harmonic", as the card says. Also, making a card be part of an element could be forcing a mechanic, so try to avoid thinking of that until after you decided what element the card will be into. In this case, anyways, it's OK (except for the random draining).

In the case you turn to even draining, how will be decided who gives 2 quanta, and who gives 3 (in the case of a 5 cost card)?

Also, I had some more questions:
1- Also, what about ultimate spells (Miracle, Fractal)?? They would drain both sides' quanta??
2- What about Pillars/Towers?? I guess you still produce your own quanta...
And last... I guess this is useful when you have no quanta, but I only guess that in that case it would drain every single quantum from your opponent's pool (that's cool)
Hmm I think this card should be to the advantage to whomever played it. So, when the card is an odd number cost like 5, two of the cost would be to the player who played it and three would be from the opponent.

Also, I'm not sure if everyone gets that the opponent can also play cards using your quanta pool, so it has to be played at the right moment, because you don't know what the other player has in their hand.

Alright so for your other questions that I had missed before (sorry bout that):
1) For ultimate spells, all of the quanta would be consumed for the player who played the ultimate.
-------(Assuming you're the one who played Harmony) If you have Miracle played and you have 8 :light quanta and the other player has 10, you would lose all :light quanta, but although it's 15 and you would only have to "use 7," the opponent would only use up 8 and be left with 2 :light quanta. (If the opponent played Miracle they would lose all their quanta, but because they would have to "use 8," you would only have to share 7.)
-------Unless I'm mistaken, that should clear up the use of fractal too. ((assuming each player has 5) 5 :aether from each player but user of fractal loses all quanta)

2) Towers and Pillars would work regularly, only adding quanta to the respective pools.

Lastly, yes, if you had no quanta you would take all from your opponent. I'll show how the numbers would work with one card:
The following will be for Bone Wall (7 :death) (Assuming you played Harmony):
You (quanta owned/used)Opponent (quanta owned/used)
0/07+/7
1/16+/6
2/25+/5
3/34+/4
4/3-43+/3-4
5/3-52+/2-4
6/1-61+/1-6
7/1-70+/1-7


Bare in mind that if you have at least 3  :death to play and the opponent has more than 4 :death , you must still pay 3. (remember.. harmony)

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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423792#msg423792
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 06:20:52 pm »
 Also, this is what the card would look like with the image Grim1772 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10406) suggested

EDIT: Sorry the picture was deleted :P
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Re: Harmony | Sympathy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33576.msg423800#msg423800
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 06:38:01 pm »
I added a background gradient.
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