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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097172#msg1097172
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 04:27:17 am »
Not to mention the +5 attack. Yeah, this current version is a bit like my Burning Passion card, but easier to use. It'd fit very well in Fire and make Cremation rushes more dangerous again. Is that a good thing? Well, considering it doesn't fit that well into a SoFree Cremation rush, I'd say it's a good thing. Destroyers and Phoenixes used to be very much feared. I wouldn't mind that type of deck to get a little edge back.
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097178#msg1097178
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 04:41:06 am »
wouldnt chimera save this creature, or would it die with the charge?

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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097180#msg1097180
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 04:48:05 am »
Current version would have the Chimera survive. Nice with Blitz, eh.
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097184#msg1097184
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2013, 05:39:00 am »
 And phoenix, will revive? but I like this idea of Increasing the attack and the creature dies. however must be balanced.
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097243#msg1097243
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2013, 03:13:38 pm »
^ I believe it is like overdrive, replacing phoenix's ability. I think it would die.

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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097283#msg1097283
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2013, 06:05:10 pm »
 You is correct  this effect is similar with overdrive but this card is so OP that I was in doubt, thanks
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097288#msg1097288
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2013, 06:42:13 pm »
this + PU + Blitz is 8 times + 20 damage with momentum. Even with the nerfs this gets too strong in a OTK deck, as 8 times plus momentum normally takes 5 cards instead of 3 (3 PUs, Blitz and momentum)
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097344#msg1097344
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 01:20:04 am »
^ I believe it is like overdrive, replacing phoenix's ability. I think it would die.
Yes, I meant for it to be like what skyironsword described.


BTW,should I nerf this card again and make the target immaterial after this is played?
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2013, 08:09:09 am »
You could still effectively stack this alternating final charge and chimera. Also if the dying part is because of an ability, you'd need to make it passive, otherwise I could just lobotomize the creature for example.
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097468#msg1097468
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2013, 08:14:42 pm »
You could still effectively stack this alternating final charge and chimera. Also if the dying part is because of an ability, you'd need to make it passive, otherwise I could just lobotomize the creature for example.

If you lobo the creature I would like it somehow to remove the momentum, double attack, and additional attack that is not doubled (in case someone thinks it is I put it in italics).
Also earlier, I asked if anyone would like it nerfed and make the targeted creature immaterial. You can't lobo immaterial.
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1097512#msg1097512
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2013, 12:01:45 am »
Chimera + Final Charge + Chimera is still very strong and the chimera doesn't die.

Can I suggest killing the creature and causing spell damage equal to 2xdamage + 5 (or some other formula you find fitting)? It seems less problematic and might even warrant a cost decrease, since you can't use PU and other things on it. The strongest combo is with Chimera in this case, but involves sacrificing all your creatures.

It also creates a counter for the card (shields that reflect)
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Re: Final Charge | Ultimate Charge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51155.msg1098305#msg1098305
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Chimera + Final Charge + Chimera is still very strong and the chimera doesn't die.

Can I suggest killing the creature and causing spell damage equal to 2xdamage + 5 (or some other formula you find fitting)? It seems less problematic and might even warrant a cost decrease, since you can't use PU and other things on it. The strongest combo is with Chimera in this case, but involves sacrificing all your creatures.

It also creates a counter for the card (shields that reflect)
Sure, as long as the great damage is dealt and the creature dies I'm fine with it, I'll change it when I have time.
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